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OK SO DONT CRY WHEN THOSE FANATICS DECIDE TO USE THE SAME METHODS YOU SO APPROVE OF TO GAIN THEIR OWN DOMINANCE.
TBH these "enhanced interrogation techniques" should be used on anyone who uses capslock.
OK SO DONT CRY WHEN THOSE FANATICS DECIDE TO USE THE SAME METHODS YOU SO APPROVE OF TO GAIN THEIR OWN DOMINANCE.
there is a difference here it doesn’t matter which way you want to paint it, there are 'groups' or people who hate our way of life. Im not saying we didn’t start the fire, I haven’t said that once but either vote to change policy ( and accept the cost to the country ) or accept that this is the way that it is.
and I agree torture is bad, but its simply 'less effective' .. it does work to a degree, sadly miscarriages of justice will happen in the most rarest of cases.
So if it is less effective than the more effective method...why use it ? why try and defend it ? who are these people who will refuse to ship coffee and consoles to the west unless we use torture bearded men from the middle east ?
there is a difference here it doesn’t matter which way you want to paint it, there are 'groups' or people who hate our way of life,
Numerous reasons.
I'll start with one. Time restraints.
I think this terrorist knows something about an imminent attack. Do I
a) Try and become his new BFF, be kind and nice to him, hoping he tells me within the next hour or it might be too late.
b) start pulling his fingernails out one by one in a hope he tell me something...
So how many attacks were stopped which would have happened otherwise ?
So if it is less effective than the more effective method...why use it ? why try and defend it ? who are these people who refuse to ship coffee and consoles to the west unless we torture bearded men from the east ?
Why are you asking questions that clearly no one apart from the CIA would actually know. Come on dude. I am all for a debate but be realistic.
I am asking you because you put the ticking bomb scenario as an example of why torture should be used.
so i ask again....how many attacks have been stopped that could not have been stopped by other methods ?
Absolutely tripe , do you really think the CIA or MI6/5 just turn up and say right you you and you come with me ? People are detained for a reason ,that may by association or direct evidence . I am sure there are micariges of justice but very very few.
I really don't under stand how naive some of you are , the world is a nasty place and we have people to deal with these nasty places and people . If you don't like it DO ONE.
I am asking you because you put the ticking bomb scenario as an example of why torture should be used.
so i ask again....how many attacks have been stopped that could not have been stopped by other methods ?
So us and them.
the answer is diplomacy but for those who seek no dialogue and want to hurt others at any cost .. well, then I guess it comes down to torture,bullets and bombs.
its brutal but are the oppressors not the winners ?
there is no diplomacy with Islam and it will come down bullets and bombs, if not all-out war.
Why are you asking questions that clearly no one apart from the CIA would actually know. Come on dude. I am all for a debate but be realistic.
Maybe none. Maybe one. Maybe 100's.
Maybe that one saved 1000's of lives. Who knows?
Like me asking how many people have been deterred from being a terrorist because they know if they get caught by the CIA horrific things will happen to them.
can you catagorically say torturing prisoners has lead to no terrorist plots being stopped.
Of course you can not. Just in the same way I can not answer your question.
Sometimes I play with myself with my weaker hand.
There were no ticking time bomb scenarios.... we've just had a report on this.
Intelligence gained from torture is unreliable and if little value, it really isn't hard to understand.