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R.I.P 
Such sad news.
I go by this pub to see my grandad and the dogs in question are always on the flat roof of the pub.
It makes me shudder to think what that baby must have gone through before she passed away .
Edit: Apperently the dogs have now been put down.
Such sad news.
I go by this pub to see my grandad and the dogs in question are always on the flat roof of the pub.
It makes me shudder to think what that baby must have gone through before she passed away
.Edit: Apperently the dogs have now been put down.
Gilly said:I'm one that grew up with a dog, used her ears to help me learn how to walk, stood on her back to see out of the window, etc. Not only did she not turn on me for doing so, but she approved of it. When I was struggling to see out of the window she'd apparently come over and lie down beneath it so I could climb on her.
However, she was well-trained and was a 'nice' breed of dog. Not a rotty, bull terrier, doberman, etc. Dalmations have it imbedded into them to be fond of humans, other dalmations and horses - they were used as carriage dogs in ages past. They're fine around kids, but the more aggressive dogs I wouldn't even think of leaving near a baby.
Dalmations even smile
We bred from one of our earlier dogs and had puppies when my little suster was about 1 year old. She was treated like an extra puppy and would be carefully taken into the den and get surrounded by puppies at nap time. The dog was such a good mum that one time when my little sister, when learning to use the potty, made a mess of the most disgusting kind- the dog came and licked it all up (to prevent the smell attracting predators).
Dogs do easily become part of the family, and humans part of the pack.
why are you glad ?Spacky said:Glad the dogs were put down, people who put animals lives before humans also need to be put down...just incase any decide to visit this thread
is it OK for stupid people to buy a dog, mistreat it, neglect it and then look surprised when it rips a kid apart ?
The dogs may have started life as a potential danger, but it was the owners who made sure (by neglect) that it later became dangerous
So the dogs die, the kid dies and the stupid owners live on unpunished
No one here is suggesting that we put animal lives before people, so grin away.
Spacky said:
err, meaning what ? cats have sharp teeth too
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bitslice said:
How do you know the people are stupid and how do you know about the dogs upbringng
Dog kills child and the dog is put down as a result so yes I am glad or would you prefer the dog lives to do it again? Be it potentially could kill as it has tasted human blood.
And cats bite as well.
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Sweetloaf said:
tbh... if it did snap it would be your fault for allowing your kids to torment your dog - it can hardly stop them doing it can he? :/ still, all we'd hear is about the 'bad dog'.
Dogs are what they are bred to be. Typical knee-jerk reaction here for 'devil dogs'- I'm no fan of rotties, but I know people who are and who bring them up well and wouldn't dream of leaving kids alone with them - and then others that would.
This pub was apparently owned by the grand-parents of the child that died. She was asleep and one of the dogs got in and got her, then took her on the roof where the other one joined in.
The dogs were never allowed in the pub according to the report, and were kept on the roof all day. It's no wonder they were the way they were with no human interaction and being encouraged to be guard dogs.
The people who keep these animals and breed them/train them to be viscious guarding creatures are the ones at fault. The parents should have been more careful, though I suspect they know that and will never forgive themselves for it.
A tragedy all round.
Gun owners were not too happy when their guns were taken away,Confusion said:
yet at least they were trained to use them. :-/
Any chav can own a rotty, but it is the lack of training that makes them become dangerous.
A breed like that needs a lot of work, something that gets overlooked when they have better things to do like buy the latest mobile phone.
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It can happen. Here's a police dog training video. So nutter, it turned round to bite its trainer!VeNT said:
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Confusion said:
I applaud you for your stupid comment.
As I said earlier, people should be required to own a kind of licence before they can own a dog.
they didn't secure the dogs, and they attacked when given the chance.Spacky said:How do you know the people are stupid and how do you know about the dogs upbringng
they left the dogs on the roof all day, barking. There is enough there to safely say the dogs were untrained and neglected
An owner of an untrained rotty is beyond stupid by default
LOL, they are not Sharks....Spacky said:
The point was, if the owners were not so dumb, this would never have happened, and the dogs would be alive now.
They were put down solely as it is a lot of work to retrain an abused dog, and very few people would want the task. Even dog shelters put down dogs they think will cause problems
Dogs do not automatically go on a killing spree after attacking someone
yeh right, a cat couldn't be bothered, far too much effort.Spacky said:And cats bite as well.
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bitslice said:
Though it says they were guard dogs, therefore they were trained to guard...though I agree sticking a dog on a roof is a bad idea and people should have complained to the landlord about the situation.
bitslice said:
The owner aka Landlord was away perhaps he should have put them in kennels. Anyhow the dogs are dead and rightfully so for killing a human, if people wish to love the animal more than the person now dead then so be it.
bitslice said:
They were put down as they are an animal, that has killed a human and no one would want to own such a thing.
bitslice said:
A ginger Tom armed with balls like watermellons that lived next door to my gran bit a neighbours child.
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as i said - it seems the owners were the child's grandparents. They probably would have wanted to the dogs destroyed anyway.
I very much doubt it.Spacky said:
the dog only did what it's breed does, the dogs are not to blame for behaving like untrained dogs.Spacky said:
what with this "love animals more" thing ?
who is saying that ???
any untrained rotty is one step away from doing the same thing, it's a shame we have to kill animals because we abused them.Spacky said:
Don't think that by killing the dog you have solved the problem here...
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Agreed. A dog doesn't need to be trained to be considered a guard dog. Aggression would be enough for that, and these dogs appear to have had an abundance of that.bitslice said:
We've had it plenty of times in the past where people value the life of an animal over that of a human. Many times.bitslice said:
Finally, someone with a clue speaks up:
"Chris Lawrence, veterinary director of the Dogs Trust, said investigators should be examining "why these dogs behave like this, why the training of the dogs is inadequate, and addressing those sort of issues". "
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"Chris Lawrence, veterinary director of the Dogs Trust, said investigators should be examining "why these dogs behave like this, why the training of the dogs is inadequate, and addressing those sort of issues". "
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I used to be a Postman in my younger days after leaving school.
I once came face to face with an Alsation and a Rottweiler and the Alsation was the one that was aggressive with me. The Rotty just barked but never once did i fear i was to be attacked whilst the Alsation actually jumped up on me.
Saying that, the most aggressive nasty dogs were the Yorkies, Jack Russells and Scottie dogs. Absolute nutters.
Obviously, some breeds of dogs are more aggressive than others but it's the owners of these dogs that should be made responsible. My sister had a Doberman and because she treated it well, it behaved well and didn't have Doberman traits like others have.
Also, lets not forget that these Rotty's were actually guard dogs. The parents of the dead child should rightly have a lot on their conscience.
I once came face to face with an Alsation and a Rottweiler and the Alsation was the one that was aggressive with me. The Rotty just barked but never once did i fear i was to be attacked whilst the Alsation actually jumped up on me.
Saying that, the most aggressive nasty dogs were the Yorkies, Jack Russells and Scottie dogs. Absolute nutters.
Obviously, some breeds of dogs are more aggressive than others but it's the owners of these dogs that should be made responsible. My sister had a Doberman and because she treated it well, it behaved well and didn't have Doberman traits like others have.
Also, lets not forget that these Rotty's were actually guard dogs. The parents of the dead child should rightly have a lot on their conscience.
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bitslice said:
Yeah i heard someone say on the radio that the problem with the dangerous dogs act is that dogs can't read. Therefore it's up to someone who can to teach them what it contains. The fact is, if you can't train the dog, you shouldn't have it. I have a dalmation/lab who is pliant, and willing to please - I knew I could train her, however I am not confident that I could do the same with a dog that had a stronger personality and a bigger size. So I wouldn't have one.