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Roar87 said:
No sane American politician would suggest it as it's political suicide, it's all well and good people from the UK suggesting bans but the US populace doesn't actually want it.
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Yep, we're going round in circles again, you're right the political power of the pro gun lobby in america is powerful, the only real debate is how much more blood will be spilt to change the will of the people against guns and what kind of action will be taken when it does.
 
adolf hamster said:
Yep, we're going round in circles again, you're right the political power of the pro gun lobby in america is powerful, the only real debate is how much more blood will be spilt to change the will of the people against guns and what kind of action will be taken when it does.
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If Sandyhook and Vegas didn't change it then nothing will.
 
I suppose it's lucky the anti gun types tend to be sane and peaceful otherwise imagine how quickly things would change if they started shooting up pro gun senators offices
 
Roar87 said:
No sane American politician would suggest it as it's political suicide, it's all well and good people from the UK suggesting bans but the US populace doesn't actually want it.
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What the people want is largely irrelevant, it's what politicians and lobbyists want that matters when it comes to law making.

Heck people didn't even get the president they voted for
 
Roar87 said:
It'll probably take about 200 years for that ban to become effective since about 90% of the 300 million guns in America can be classed as semi-automatic. The only guns that don't are pump action shotguns, bolt action and lever action rifles I guess. Even those you can have a high rate of fire with practice. I just don't see the point.
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I suspect in 200 years lead firing guns would be largely obsolete
 
adolf hamster said:
Doesnt matter what you propose. Its a slippery slope don'tyaknow.

We've danced this dance before and we will again, and again, and again, until the american people wake up and realise that unless they do something its gonna keep on.

And the longer it goes the more drastic the corrective action will need to be. Might not need mass confiscation now but give it 20 years and if nothing changes then that's what will be needed.

Right now i'd propose doing to semi automatic firearms exactly the same as has been done already (and ergo proven as constitutionally compatible before someone starts whinging about the 2nd amendment) for fully automatic firearms- ban new manufacture/sale, amnesty to register existing firearms, require nra transfer for registered items and once the amnesty is over confiscate and destroy unregistered firearms.

No licence, no confiscation of law abiding citizens firearms, let attrition handle the rest.
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Pretty much every hand gun is semi automatic, you know that right?

Maybe they should switch every gun out for powdered muskets?

This is why the mass public shouldn't have a say in big decisions, for the most part they are entirely clueless on the matter they are talking about.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Pretty much every hand gun is semi automatic, you know that right?

Maybe they should switch every gun out for powdered muskets?

This is why the mass public shouldn't have a say in big decisions, for the most part they are entirely clueless on the matter they are talking about.
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err you realize that's exactly his point?

it means it goes more to revolvers or manually operated guns slowing rate of fire, slowing reloading, leaving guns still suitable for "defense" in emergency situations but much less effective for offense.

it also has the very important bonus we've seen with automatic weapons, they become very expensive collectors items that are unlikely to end up in a mass killers hand


Maybe they should switch every gun out for powdered muskets?
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well that is what the law originally intended i suppose.

citizens used to be lowed the cutting edge military hardware of the day so they could oppose the government, today they only have access to such a watered down arsenal they cant oppose the government but they an slaughter each other.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Pretty much every hand gun is semi automatic, you know that right?

Maybe they should switch every gun out for powdered muskets?

This is why the mass public shouldn't have a say in big decisions, for the most part they are entirely clueless on the matter they are talking about.
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And your showing your cluelessness here, handguns are very much part of the problem, and if you think no semi automatics means going back to muzzle loaders then you really have no idea about firearms or the few legitimate civilian uses for them (that is to say civilians who need a gun rather than just want one to play with)

As for the mass public not being involved in big decisions just, i dont even, do you understand the word democracy right? You really think that is a good way to make anyone take you seriously?
 
Tefal said:
err you realize that's exactly his point?

it means it goes more to revolvers or manually operated guns slowing rate of fire, slowing reloading, leaving guns still suitable for "defense" in emergency situations but much less effective for offense.

it also has the very important bonus we've seen with automatic weapons, they become very expensive collectors items that are unlikely to end up in a mass killers hand
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Thats exactly the point, make it a finite pool, over time attrition takes many of them out of circulation until natural market forces put them in the hands of collectors and enthusiasts than regular people.

Admittedly due to the sheer volume of semi automatic firearms in the states and the fact well maintained guns will last a very long time it's gonna be a while before this happens hence the transfer tax and atf paperwork, it'll do the same thing to regular semi automatics as is currently the case for sbr's- make it too much of a hassle for the majority of casual owners to bother with whilst maintaining the ability for a dedicated enthusiast to get their hands on what they want.

Thats all it'd take to make a dent- no more walking out of walmart with an ar15 in the same day, but you want an ar15? Sure you can still have one in its full semi (or indeed fully automatic if you've got the cash) glory, it'll just be a bunch of annoying paperwork with an extended background check and a 6 month wait time.

You can keep manually operated firearms as they are for the time being, until such times as you start seeing those being used in crimes instead (the same way shootings with registered full auto guns is rare today).

Needless to say you only need to restrict ease of access to firearms of various types until you stop getting mass shootings, then there's no need for more regulation.
 
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