Shoppers 'to be charged 20p on plastic bottles & Metal Cans under return scheme

Good idea, been done in parts of Europe for eons, most of the time you have a deposit bank.

The problem here is we recycle everything, where I love I have a bin that takes literally all recycling, I don't want to have to take cans/bottles to a separate place.

I have seperate bags for all mine. One for cans and another for cardboard etc. If i have to take it back to the shop it'll be such a ball ache i just wont bother.
 
As a scheme it directly collides with doorstep recycling and is going to smash headlong into the online grocery shop revolution. Picture this for a stupid situation currently 99% of my shopping is done online and delivered to my house then when empty I put the plastic and cans out for doorstep recycling collection. Now I’m going to have to separate the stuff with a deposit on it and make a special journey in my car to get my money back. This scheme is 20 years too late!

Kinda just said the same. Its an awful idea.
 
As a scheme it directly collides with doorstep recycling and is going to smash headlong into the online grocery shop revolution. Picture this for a stupid situation currently 99% of my shopping is done online and delivered to my house then when empty I put the plastic and cans out for doorstep recycling collection. Now I’m going to have to separate the stuff with a deposit on it and make a special journey in my car to get my money back. This scheme is 20 years too late!
Can people order off amazon and then claim the bottle/can return money back from there local shop i wonder :eek:
 
I bet all the do is run tap water though a HMA filter. Which can you buy yourself for £40 and it'll do around 20,000ltrs before you need to change the £12 cartriges...

I use one for re-filling the aquarium and pond so I don't have to buy chemical treatments.

In the UK, if bottled water doesn't state "spring water", it's filtered tap water. Or unfiltered tap water. There's no requirement for a company selling tap water in a bottle to do anything to the tap water and not much reason for them to do so.

I do sometimes buy bottled water, if I am out and want something to drink. I'd rather drink bottled water than bottled water with sweeteners and flavourings added to it.

If you want a bit of a laugh about filtered tap water, there's always the Dasani fiasco:


It didn't set Coke back much, really. Not even when they cheerfully advertised that their bottled tap water was full of *****, apparently unaware that "*****" has two very different meanings. Not even when it was found to contain a dangerous chemical (added by the process Coke was using, not in the tap water they were using) in amounts that are illegal in the UK. They just used a different brandname for their bottled tap water in the UK.
 
If this reduces the amount of bottled water people use, it will be a good thing.

Jeez, I still can't believe people buy bottled water...

It won't, people will pay just like they're happy to pay 90% tax on fossil fuels to power their cars instead of using public transport or their legs

Charging money isn't going to solve the problem of too much plastic unless the charge is prohibitively expensive that people literally can't afford to buy plastic, or we could use alternatives to plastic but that wouldn't generate money from nothing like a glorified tax does
 
As a scheme it directly collides with doorstep recycling and is going to smash headlong into the online grocery shop revolution. Picture this for a stupid situation currently 99% of my shopping is done online and delivered to my house then when empty I put the plastic and cans out for doorstep recycling collection. Now I’m going to have to separate the stuff with a deposit on it and make a special journey in my car to get my money back. This scheme is 20 years too late!

That's the problem in a nutshell, I think.

Assuming that the intent of the scheme is to increase recycling, anyway. The scheme will work much better as a stealth tax with environmentalism as an excuse, so that might be the intent of the scheme.
 
It won't, people will pay just like they're happy to pay 90% tax on fossil fuels to power their cars instead of using public transport or their legs

Charging money isn't going to solve the problem of too much plastic unless the charge is prohibitively expensive that people literally can't afford to buy plastic, or we could use alternatives to plastic but that wouldn't generate money from nothing like a glorified tax does
They know it won't stop people but it will cut down the amount many people would have bought..Just like the plastic bag charge people use less bags when they got to pay for them.

Just like the high fuel tax doesn't stop people driving there cars but it does cut down the miles they do..;) specially with online shopping available now,
Many people will now think why waste £5 or £10 or £20 etc of petrol when they can get something delivered for free
 
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It won't, people will pay just like they're happy to pay 90% tax on fossil fuels to power their cars instead of using public transport or their legs

Charging money isn't going to solve the problem of too much plastic unless the charge is prohibitively expensive that people literally can't afford to buy plastic, or we could use alternatives to plastic but that wouldn't generate money from nothing like a glorified tax does

Public transport is more expensive than running a car in most of the country and it's largely useless and unreliable (outside of London). So people don't have any other choice there :p

I often see buses with no one on them during the rural parts of my commute. Especially since covid.
 
This reminds me of when I was a boy. Many bottles had a deposit on them and it was possible for a child to top up their pocket money by roaming around town collecting littered bottles and returning them for the deposit.

However...



That almost certainly won't happen, so the system will just be a costly annoyance.

Another big change is that recycling is a bigger thing nowadays and more organised. For example, I recycle all my bottles and cans by putting them in a box that's collected by the council. So this scheme would simply be extra tax on me and the many other people who do the same thing. Essentially, it's penalising only the people who already recycle. Also, of course, it disproportionately penalises poor people.

Same here

We put all non glass bottles etc into the council provided bin, and glass bottles get put in one of the old Safeways green boxes (how's that for recycling, we've been using them for 25 years!) and taken to the bottle bank every time a box is full.

Plastic bags however the only place in town that does recycling for them is the big tesco store (not even the tidy tip does them), and I've got a huge number waiting to be disposed of now because I've not been able to go there for over a year.

It's going to end up as a tax on those who already recycle but don't have the time/ability to take them to a specific place to get the credit back.
 
Buy a skip and start filling it with cans now.

Hire a giant magnet on a lorry and drive around town early on recyling day sucking cans out of people's recycling bins!

(This idea brought to you by Wile E. Coyote and the Acme Corporation)
 
Good idea, been done in parts of Europe for eons, most of the time you have a deposit bank.

The problem here is we recycle everything, where I love I have a bin that takes literally all recycling, I don't want to have to take cans/bottles to a separate place.

Youre in denial if you think your waste doesnt end up in landfill anyway. I have contacts in the waste industry both private and public sector, the country would be shocked if they knew just how little is actually recycled.
 
I've only just moved to an area where my glass bottles can go in the blue bin with the rest of the recycling - no more beer bottle shame from me on a Saturday morning at the local super market bottle bank. Thankfully I don't buy many plastic bottles or cans anyway..
 
We used to do this when I was young. Glass booze, milk, and pop bottles. Cans weren't really a thing then. Neither was plastic

In my early teens, 15/16, you could buy a full soda syphon bottle in a pub off licence, and take it home after leaving a 5 shillings, (25p), deposit.
My friend Joey would steal one from the pub’s bar counter, pour the soda water down a drain, and collect 5 shillings from the off licence.
 
Youre in denial if you think your waste doesnt end up in landfill anyway. I have contacts in the waste industry both private and public sector, the country would be shocked if they knew just how little is actually recycled.

The point isn't to fix any problem. It's to give people a chance to think that Something Is Being Done and that they personally are Doing Something. Standard politics.
 
I have seperate bags for all mine. One for cans and another for cardboard etc. If i have to take it back to the shop it'll be such a ball ache i just wont bother.

Yeah bugger that, think we had a separate glass bin for one year, now its all in the blue lid bin. Bliss.

Youre in denial if you think your waste doesnt end up in landfill anyway. I have contacts in the waste industry both private and public sector, the country would be shocked if they knew just how little is actually recycled.

Not my problem really, I'm doing what the council asks, what happens after that is on the council.
 
Been doing it for a few years. Not a big deal.
10p on a can 20p on a plastic bottle.

Once a month take a bag to the supermarket and feed them into the machine, collect the barcoded ticket and carry on.

Only thing that sucks is beggars asking for your bottles....
 
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