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The criteria needs to be beyond any doubt, not just beyond reasonable doubt. If there is any inconclusive evidence then it doesn't happen.
Should capital punishment be brought back?
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The criteria needs to be beyond any doubt, not just beyond reasonable doubt. If there is any inconclusive evidence then it doesn't happen.
The word reasonable cannot be removed.
It exists to prevent Shaggy defence strategies.
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if it’s proven 100% yes. Fetch it back.
Life for life if it’s intentional murder.
Not if it’s an accident. Jail should be enough for these people.
Life for life if it’s intentional murder.
Not if it’s an accident. Jail should be enough for these people.
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Do France still have the "crime of passion"? If it were to be introduced here in the UK, from what I have seen, Nigel Farage, Musk, Trump, Braverman and many others would be in danger from a considerable number of various uk forum's members with somewhat radical opinions looking for a pressure relief valve 
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100% yes, even with mistakes it's a net positive for society to cull those that commit the most disgusting of crimes.
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Wasn't there a member on there that was going down for a long while for killing someone while driving dangerously?
I've worked in the MOJ before, and have had to work inside a prison numerous times. I'd never have described it as a holiday camp, or ever wished to stay longer than I had to.
People in prison already do work, for (very) small amounts of pay. One of the challenges is to find work that doesn't put other people / businesses out of work. The work can also be part of a rehabilitation package to give the person useable skills and experience for when they leave prison.
I don't think bringing back the death penalty would be a good thing. As a people we've moved beyond that. Yes, it might be cheaper, and perhaps would satisfy some urge to reek vengeance. But it also makes us no better than the perpetrator.
I've worked in the MOJ before, and have had to work inside a prison numerous times. I'd never have described it as a holiday camp, or ever wished to stay longer than I had to.
People in prison already do work, for (very) small amounts of pay. One of the challenges is to find work that doesn't put other people / businesses out of work. The work can also be part of a rehabilitation package to give the person useable skills and experience for when they leave prison.
I don't think bringing back the death penalty would be a good thing. As a people we've moved beyond that. Yes, it might be cheaper, and perhaps would satisfy some urge to reek vengeance. But it also makes us no better than the perpetrator.
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I didn’t know what this was until I just looked it up. 100% there probably would be a reduction of 80% of active forum users for certain if this was fetched into play. lol
A legal term known as "crime of passion" refers to criminal behaviour that is motivated by a strong emotional reaction to a provocation. These kinds of crimes are neither planned nor calculated. The term "crime of passion" is derived from "crime passionnel" in French.
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I'd imagine there is also the problem that pretty much any such work actually costs HM Prisons money to do, as it requires equipment, staff and space, which it seems that a lot of people don't think should be spent on any prisoner and yet they have no idea how else to try and prevent reoffending other than "lock them up longer" whilst also complaining "it's so expensive to lock them up".
The same people that don't grasp that really austere/nasty prison conditions almost invariably result in higher costs because if a prisoner has nothing to lose and nothing to gain from behaving in prison they're going to be much harder to control meaning higher staffing costs, and more riots etc, or that things like actually help deal with the baseline reason for offending is cost effective (IE get people off drugs and they're not likely to steal to buy drugs).
I'm actually old enough to remember the days of the classic Victorian prisons with their "harsher" conditions, massive over crowding, few/no luxuries (including toilets in cells), and regular riots as the prisoners had literally nothing to lose and were spending 20+ hours in a cell with nothing else to do but get bored and angry.
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The old timers I worked with said the best thing to happen to Prison/Prisoners was allowing in cell TVs.
I worked in a nick with no in cell toilets, it was grim. Worse still when half the wing came down with the norovirus. Glad I was on leave that week
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Yes.
Soldato
No, at least not right away. People who commit the worst crimes should serve a certain amount of time in jail. The death penalty straight away or after only a short while on death row would be too good for some people, like letting them off the hook.
Soldato
Maybe an American style SuperMax would be enough for the worst offenders. That would be a horrible existance, and no way out.
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One might suggest looking at how countries with very low crime levels achieve their wonderful states? Both low level crime and serious crime like drug dealing and murder. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. There's an answer to most things, but usually those of a liberal western mindset try to condemn those countries that create a peaceful environment for their law abiding citizens, and a most hostile and punitive one for those who wish to disrupt harmony and embrace criminality 
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No, we're already mini murica, never go full murcia
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Problem with that is you are taking work away from the law abiding public. How is a company/individual meant to compete with free labour? For non violent criminals I would have them cleaning up the country, picking up fly tipping etc.
As for the question from the OP. Absolutely not. Risk of an innocent person and its barbaric, the state shouldn't be committing barbaric acts.
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They're already doing that while on licence / suspended sentence.
I used to go round with the groups doing it as part of a previous job. Always a sad mix of the terrified individuals, the obnoxious cocky cxxxs, and the completely normal people you wonder why on earth they're here.
What were you in for?
The fact that criminals have gone against the law and citizen's rights, does that not indicate they have no regard for society and to my mind they lose the rights of that society. Capital punishment should only be used after exhaustive investigation and be absolutely proof positive. Victims of crime are almost always forgotten by the system, but the criminal will use the system for their benefit.
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I wasn't, what I remember is the riots on the news and in the papers on a regular basis, and the fact that they tended to be the prisons with the worst reputations for conditions (both in terms of really basic amenities, and crowding).
IIRC it was in my teens that those prisons were largely either phased out or brought to a standard that belonged in the 20th century and not the 18th.
I suspect the countries you're thinking of mainly do it by not recording crime, I'm fairly sure North Korea has very little official crime.One might suggest looking at how countries with very low crime levels achieve their wonderful states? Both low level crime and serious crime like drug dealing and murder. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. There's an answer to most things, but usually those of a liberal western mindset try to condemn those countries that create a peaceful environment for their law abiding citizens, and a most hostile and punitive one for those who wish to disrupt harmony and embrace criminality
America despite it's utterly horrific prisons and insane sentencing with things like "3 minor crimes and you're in for life" still has a massive crime problem.
Meanwhile countries that actually attempt to rehabilitate offenders seem to have this odd thing where people are far less likely to become repeat offenders who keep getting sent back to prison.
It's almost like there is some sort of reasoning behind attempting to steer criminals away from crime with a bit of a carrot in the way of perhaps helping them get skills that don't rely on crime.
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