he might not be, then again his plea may fail
Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?
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he might not be, then again his plea may fail
So much money has been wasted by this, they should have just given him the community service like originally planned and have been done with it. Many people on the nhs could have been those top anti cancer drugs for the cost of this.
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UK government will no doubt give in to some pressure from the US and he'll eventually get extradicted.
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He should be offered a job by someone, that's for sure.
He's a UK citizen, he might have committed crime on US soil (or at least hosted on US soil), but they have no right to try him - it is not against UK law to break UK laws in other countries where UK laws do not apply, and vice versa.
Extradition is basically political pandering... showing once against the weakness of Britain compared to its' bully boy retarded brother.
Extradition is basically political pandering... showing once against the weakness of Britain compared to its' bully boy retarded brother.
The Americans have tried the same sort of thing with some Canadians who run legitimate businesses in Canada; that the goods are bought by American citizens with the fore knowledge that said goods are illegal in the US is not the fault of the company selling them. Again anti-terror type laws are being used to try and extradite these people to face trial and lengthy jail terms for 'subverting American society' or some other rubbish. As these individuals have committed no crime in Canada, the Canadian supreme court (or whatever it's called) sensibly and repeatedly tells the American courts to get lost and leave its citizens alone.
For some reason America seems to have the belief that its laws supersede that of other sovereign nations - hence the debacle that is 'extraordinary rendition'. Had our government even the semblance of the vestige of a backbone, we'd tell them where to go and stick it and deal with those who break our law accordingly and not bow to some aged, one sided special relationship that has dragged the UK into pursuing someone else's foreign policy goals.
I'd like to think that this guy will not be sold off to the US for the sake of political expediency, but with this government, I wouldn't put money on it.
He was on UK soil when be committed the crime. Sending him to USA is a dangerous thing, because what if tomorrow Mugabe makes it illegal for anyone from UK to access a website in Zimbabwe. Does that mean I've commited a crime if I access a website there?
How can he wriggle out of it by "confessing" to offences that he wasn't being extradited for? How the hell does that work? If I'm accused of murder, can I get off by pleading guilty to theft?
What a gimp. I hope his appeal fails and they extradite him anyway.
Why is his support site called "Free Gary" when he's not actually incarcerated? That makes about as much sense as "Free Russell Crowe" or "Free My Brother Neville who Works at the Local Co-Op Mon-Fri, 08:00-17:00".
It's a moot point.
Zimbabwe does not have an extradition treaty with the UK, and even if it did, the UK would resist extradition on the grounds that the law is unreasonable/immoral/whatever.
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I wonder if that lack of security was intentional, allowing disinformation to be spread to potential intruders. Our patsy Mr. McKinnon fell victim to it.
A job to do what? Enter random IP addresses until he can telnet to one without a password? Skillful.
Most of that was about Americans purchasing tobacco products across the internet to avoid paying taxes. Canada (and other countries) made the products easily accessible to thrifty Americans. It backfired. The gov't tracked a lot of people down and sent them letters claiming they were owed thousands in taxes. Oopsie.
He committed a crime in this country. Try him here, under our laws.
If I was running this country first thing I'd do is cancel any extradition treaty. I wouldn't be having a single UK citizen sent to a country that holds people without trial, performs extra-ordinary rendition or tortures people. They can go to hell.
Evangelion, you seem to be well informed, this extradition treaty, did the US ratify their side of the deal? And do you think they'd be as willing to hand people over to us?
If I was running this country first thing I'd do is cancel any extradition treaty. I wouldn't be having a single UK citizen sent to a country that holds people without trial, performs extra-ordinary rendition or tortures people. They can go to hell.
Evangelion, you seem to be well informed, this extradition treaty, did the US ratify their side of the deal? And do you think they'd be as willing to hand people over to us?
Surprisingly, yes. Our barbaric trans-Atlantic cousins have finally honoured an international legal agreement; I reckon that's got to be a "first" since the 1950s.
They wouldn't be any more willing than the UK is, but they'd have no choice; you've got them by the nadgers. The treaty does not leave a great deal of wriggle room for either side.
Interestingly, the treaty removes the US statute of limitations, which means that US citizens who commit a crime in or against the UK could still be extradited even if they would not normally be prosecutable in the US due to the length of time since the offence was committed. This allows the UK to seek retrospective extradition for past offenders.
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Why dont they hire him? Hes clearly a clever bloke!
Cheers.
I'm surprised they did sign it, for the life of me can't place where but I'm sure I read that currently it was only working one way. Might have been during the Natwest saga.
Also....
Wasn't he going to receive a community order in this country?