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Didn't we just hand someone over to the UK last year for something silly? It sounds familiar. I'll have to look it up.
Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?
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In my opinion yes.
It isn't as though he accidently clicked on a weblink that took him straight in to the website, he actually physically attacked it. This basically was a thought out act. It wasn't as though they dropped their defenses due to a bug, and he "stumbled in".
I don't feel sorry for someone who does something wrong like this. As long as he is given a fair trial, then I think it is fair if he is sent over there. I would also feel the same if a US citizen hacked in to MI5 (or whatever) and would feel like the US should sent him over here.
It isn't as though he accidently clicked on a weblink that took him straight in to the website, he actually physically attacked it. This basically was a thought out act. It wasn't as though they dropped their defenses due to a bug, and he "stumbled in".
I don't feel sorry for someone who does something wrong like this. As long as he is given a fair trial, then I think it is fair if he is sent over there. I would also feel the same if a US citizen hacked in to MI5 (or whatever) and would feel like the US should sent him over here.
Cheers.
I'm surprised they did sign it, for the life of me can't place where but I'm sure I read that currently it was only working one way. Might have been during the Natwest saga.
Yes, it's not like the Yanks to play fair.
That is merely a possible sentence if convicted solely under British law. He could well have received 12 months in prison (or more).
We must not lose sight of the fact that he was offered a very short sentence by the Yanks, and chose to refuse it. Adding to Gary's woes, the European Court of Human Rights has recently turned down his appeal.
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Honestly couldn't tell you, although considering the treaty was ratified I wouldn't be hugely surprised.
If there is parity and fairness in the system then the only thing left that really irks me about this is the disparity between the sentences that we would apply, and the US would apply. Seems a tad ridiculous.
If it is about 'setting an example' then he won't get a fair trial. If the US apply their law in a manner consistent with previous cases of this nature then fair enough, I'd be happy with that.
If I got an offer from the American Government that they couldn't put in writing, then I'd be dubious as to it's nature. I wouldn't have trusted it as the moment he was on a plane it could have magically disappeared.
I'm not saying he isn't a plank, or a criminal either. But looking at 70 years for snooping, and he didn't actually break in either since there was no passwords, seems way too harsh.
Got a link? I've heard this before, but the link from Evangelion says otherwise.
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/ukpapress48.html
Yes they have.
PUBLIC AFFAIRS SECTION
Joint Press Statement
26 April 2007
UK/U.S. Extradition Treaty Ratified
The United Kingdom and United States have today ratified a bilateral extradition treaty to ensure more effective arrangements to bring offenders from either state to justice.
The treaty will modernise and extend the arrangements for extradition between the U.S. and the UK and for the first time allow for the extradition of individuals accused of twenty-first century crimes, such as child internet pornography, which were not extraditable offences under the old arrangements.
At a ceremony in Central London today the Instruments of Ratification were exchanged by Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland and U.S. Ambassador to the UK Mr Robert H. Tuttle. This enables the 2003 bilateral extradition treaty to enter into force under international treaty protocol.
Source.
It is important to remember that the extradition treaty has existed since 1972; this latest revision merely extends the terms of extradition and reaffirms the treaty as a bilateral agreement.
How can he wriggle out of it by "confessing" to offences that he wasn't being extradited for? How the hell does that work? If I'm accused of murder, can I get off by pleading guilty to theft?
Universally people are given a lighter sentence for providing information or admitting their guilt to crimes, happens in every country, saves much time and taxpayers money.
I understand that, but he wasn't pleading guilty to these lighter offences before. Nor was he being extradited for them.
Seems like culpability is a "pick and mix" affair these days; you can choose which crimes to be convicted of!
What I meant is that they never ratified their half of the "no prima facie evidence", meaning that UK has to give USA evidence for extradition, USA does not need to do the same to UK.
Read Part 2 of the UK Act
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=820518
The reason for the difference is due to the US constitution if I remember correctly not allowing USA to extradite someone without evidence being presented.
Read Part 2 of the UK Act
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=820518
The reason for the difference is due to the US constitution if I remember correctly not allowing USA to extradite someone without evidence being presented.
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I can tell you people now that hes going to be recuited and not sent to jail, he will be working for the goverment as hes that good.
They might say hes going to jail but there really gonna make him work.
They might say hes going to jail but there really gonna make him work.
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Even if you change your plea from not guilty to guilty later on you are still given a sentence discount, it's on the government sentencing guidelines website.
Seems like culpability is a "pick and mix" affair these days; you can choose which crimes to be convicted of!
All he did was change his plea to reduce his punishment, he is still being convicted for all the crimes.
Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?
How many girls do you know called Gary?
How many girls do you know called Gary?
he broke the law to prove a point and didn't phyiscally harm anyone.
He should do jail time but no way charged as a terrorist since he didn't actually terrorise anybody or even threaten to terrrorise people.
The UK government should only extradite him on charges of hacking not terrorism.
Thing is he didn't have any skills.
It's akin to saying the boy who get's caught stealing should be locked up until his skills are redundant but if the boy actually had any skills in stealing he wouldn't have been caught.
The guy tried his luck by typing admin admin into a webpage. How much skill do you think he has?
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Here's food for thought..
People say that the majority of hackers are Chinese, however, who's to say that it's not just someone in UK/Sweden/USA using a compromised machine in China to disguise their real location?
I realise there is probably more Chinese users, but some may have an infected machine, without knowing it (e.g. botnet).
On topic.. I hope he does has information, but I don't condone what he did. He must have known there would be implications.
People say that the majority of hackers are Chinese, however, who's to say that it's not just someone in UK/Sweden/USA using a compromised machine in China to disguise their real location?
I realise there is probably more Chinese users, but some may have an infected machine, without knowing it (e.g. botnet).
On topic.. I hope he does has information, but I don't condone what he did. He must have known there would be implications.
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Best place for whom?
Certainly not for Gary McKinnon who faces up to 70 years in prison for "terrorism" offences
Best place for whom?
Certainly not for Gary McKinnon who faces up to 70 years in prison for "terrorism" offences
He's not being charged with terrorism offences, and he was offered a much lower sentence which he refused.
Good to see that he's lost his latest attempt. Roll on the extradition.
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