Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?

Should he?

  • Yes

    Votes: 232 19.5%

  • No

    Votes: 823 69.3%

  • I don't like poles

    Votes: 132 11.1%
  • Total voters
    1,187
I love that people are implying he wont get a fair trial in the US, yet are ignoring the fact that he was denied protection from the House of Lords and The European Court of Human Rights...

I'm not too familiar with the case but I'm not going to argue against the judgement of these two independant decisions.
 
OK lets say you download a movie from a US server or computer (via Usenet, bittorrent or whatever). It's a pretty common occurrence and quite an apt example given the past weeks activities against filesharing.

So people here are saying that they wouldn't raise a single objection if the US demanded that they be extradited to stand trial over there?
 
Cob said:
OK lets say you download a movie from a US server or computer (via Usenet, bittorrent or whatever). It's a pretty common occurrence and quite an apt example given the past weeks activities against filesharing.

So people here are saying that they wouldn't raise a single objection if the US demanded that they be extradited to stand trial over there?
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Cob said:
OK lets say you download a movie from a US server or computer (via Usenet, bittorrent or whatever). It's a pretty common occurrence and quite an apt example given the past weeks activities against filesharing.
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Surely you'd do it from Swedish server unless you're a retard.


So people here are saying that they wouldn't raise a single objection if the US demanded that they be extradited to stand trial over there?
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Except as far as i know there is no extradition law for that, however there is one for this.

You change intonational law to agree with you and sure I'll agree (as long as Britain benefits from the deportation, if it doesn't then i disagree)


but for now I'll agree with jono.(even though I'm sure i dislike him but i don;t know why)
 
Mr-White said:
surely if he could see it to print screen it, he would have already downloaded ?

MW
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Well this isn't always the case, he could have been (for example) using some kind of telnet or ssh access into a server, with a lack of any sftp/ftp rights it's going to be damn hard to get data off. But he could still print screen or even just copy the text out of the client he was using (or save the history).

Tefal said:
No he's not going under terror reg,s but would you want an a foreign hacker tried here or aboard. Considering what he broke into is located on brit territory not his.
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It's a sound point. But at the same time physically he was in the UK, and for me that's really the bottom line. He actually broke (presumably at the same time) UK law too,
 
dangerstat said:
It's a sound point. But at the same time physically he was in the UK, and for me that's really the bottom line. He actually broke (presumably at the same time) UK law too,
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oh yeah he broke both, but there's the fact he got American info which means its in there interests to keep him there so others (ie us) don;t get it. same as if he hacked us, we wouldn't want him homeland getting it.
 
Tefal said:
oh yeah he broke both, but there's the fact he got American info which means its in there interests to keep him there so others (ie us) don;t get it. same as if he hacked us, we wouldn't want him homeland getting it.
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No I totally understand why the US want him to be sent over there. But at the same time I just don't think we should agree to it. And yes if this was an Iranian hacking into US or UK systems then it'd be completely different. But I think the UK needs to assess proportionality here, the sentances being discussed are more than rape, GBH, and probably most murders for a guy that hacked into a few systems to get info on UFO's.

Now if it was the case that he was hacking to pass US secrets on weapons technology to the Chineese I'd like to see him locked up for life, but in it's entirity this case doesn't merit the action that the US government are pursuing.
 
dangerstat said:
No I totally understand why the US want him to be sent over there. But at the same time I just don't think we should agree to it. And yes if this was an Iranian hacking into US or UK systems then it'd be completely different. But I think the UK needs to assess proportionality here, the sentances being discussed are more than rape, GBH, and probably most murders for a guy that hacked into a few systems to get info on UFO's.

Now if it was the case that he was hacking to pass US secrets on weapons technology to the Chinese I'd like to see him locked up for life, but in it's entirity this case doesn't merit the action that the US government are pursuing.
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Well for one it's only his claims that it was for "ufo's" and considering most American ufos are actually military craft.

But believe me i do support your stance on double standards, during this time uk intelligence officers should determine if he found anything of value, if so, keep the **** and find a loophole he's worth something. If not then we stand more to gain getting rid of him, play up lapdog role til it becomes beinifical not to.
 
He knew what he was doing and deserves to suffer the consequences. I doubt whether he will serve 70 years and god forbid end up wasting space in a British jail.
 
The problem is that because the crime is publically known they obviously can't let him off and give him a job, it sends out the completely wrong messages to wanna be government security analysts looking for a quick way into a job. "Yeah that's it, I'll just keep trying until I hack government systems and they'll give me a job, they did with that other guy".

Had we not known about the incident it might have been a different situation, but unfortunately this person will be made an example of, and that has to happen every so often.

But just for the record, if his actions were malicious then he wouldn't have been caught and he'd be a few million richer for selling intelligence. What he was doing was exploring systems. Kind of like breaking into a house and just walking around, it's the difference between breaking and entering and theft.
 
so how much do you think he'll earn when he comes out? and with whom? (assuming things turn good for him and only serves minimum time (catch me if you can style))
 
kiteloopy said:
so how much do you think he'll earn when he comes out? and with whom?
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Nothing as by the time he gets out computer systems will have oved on to the point that his knowledge is worthless. that's why the sentence is the length it is.
 
I haven't read all the thread, but I've been following this case since it went public, like many others on this forum. And I'm sure the majority of us would state that his extradition is wrong for so many reason, but there are probably people who can articulate (and probably done so already in the thread) much better than I.

My short answer is, I don't think McKinnon should face the sentence he does because of the ineptitude of computer users and network administrators. He's charged with damaging systems... if he managed to remain undetected for so long on the networks, the damage accusation is ********. The only thing he did was leave some of the supposedly tightest networks and their users and administrators with egg on their face.
 
Tefal said:
he hacked into military systems regardless of intent that's dangerous.

His warnings may have been based solely on the fact he knew he was going to be detected, we won;t ever know.

But by trying it on he knew the costs and risked them.

he turned down a sensible sentence, and so must now face the full force of a national security risk.
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You seem to have a very personal side on this due to your cousin is it?

If you was that bothered, you should be happy it was someone "showing off" and WARNING them how insecure it was...

Or would you rather a terrorist have got threw and actually did some damage...

If you want to compare this don't compare it to murder that's pathetic...

He has simply seen someone with there door open on there house, had a look in, and then let them know it was open....

If you carnt understand that, you need to get your head out your ass
 
Atrox Moris said:
I haven't read all the thread, but I've been following this case since it went public, like many others on this forum. And I'm sure the majority of us would state that his extradition is wrong for so many reason, but there are probably people who can articulate (and probably done so already in the thread) much better than I.

My short answer is, I don't think McKinnon should face the sentence he does because of the ineptitude of computer users and network administrators. He's charged with damaging systems... if he managed to remain undetected for so long on the networks, the damage accusation is ********. The only thing he did was leave some of the supposedly tightest networks and their users and administrators with egg on their face.
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This arguement just doesnt hold up. you can't break into a car and then just because the alarm doesnt go off,blame the alarm manufacturers and say "It's a good job i tested that alarm out, why don't you give me a job because i am clearly good at this..."

:confused:

He is a criminal that broke international law. Whether you agree with the law or not or whether America's systems were weak is besides the point.
 
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