Poll: Should Gary McKinnon be extradited to the US for hacking?
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well as there was no real victim , the crime wasn't violent and afaik he didn't damage any property or take anything of value then I would think a suspended sentence would be fair if you comapre to the likes of some sentences handed out for worse crimes
What has insurance comapny got to do with anything.
You took out a contract with an insurance company and in that contract you have to minimize the risk of burglary.
It does not change who is to blame.
How ever long it takes to make his skills redundant, or until his death, if looked upon in terms of national security.
Which is what his current punishment is based on.
Remember fitting the crime, does not equal justice, nor does it equal "fair".
he hacked into military systems regardless of intent that's dangerous.
His warnings may have been based solely on the fact he knew he was going to be detected, we won;t ever know.
But by trying it on he knew the costs and risked them.
he turned down a sensible sentence, and so must now face the full force of a national security risk.
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A Gold medal for exposing the absolute lack of security and warning them.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7768394.stm
Would be nice if a poll was added.
He's a hacker. He got into Nasa, the US Army, Navy, Air Force, and Department of Defense computers with apparently little problems as he claimed they had no security.
Now if they left themselves open that easily, why should he be tried and possibly sentenced to 70 years in prison?
He should be recruited to help them, not beaten down.
So, do you think he should be tried here or the US?
US, of course. McKinnon committed an international crime against a foreign country, and should be tried in the relevant nation.
He is not accused of terrorist activity, and he is not being extradited under anti-terror legislation. On the contrary, he is being extradited under the basis of a new extradition treaty signed between the US and UK in 2003 and ratified in 2007, long after terrorism became an extradition issue.
The treaty covers extradition of all criminals, but particularly those who were not able to be extradited under former legislation:
The treaty will modernise and extend the arrangements for extradition between the US and the UK and for the first time allow for the extradition of individuals accused of twenty-first century crimes, such as child internet pornography, which were not extraditable offences under the old arrangements.
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The man is a meddling fool who thought he could play around with government computers and escape the consequences. Chuck him in the dock and let justice have her wicked way with him.
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. It never changes whos to blame but it introduces a factor of liablity.Thing is, this is pretty much one step away from entrapment as leaving the system that open encourages people to have a go. Like i've said, the guy should be punished but 70 years is stupid. Seems that the Americans are more interested in punishing this guy than they are in talking about why he was able to access their systems in the first place. Pretty worrying if one man can cause that much trouble for the self proclaimed biggest superpower.
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This is an inherently flawed arguement which has been used far too much in this thread.
I'm against his extradition purely because i feel he wont get a fair trial but i do agree he should be punished but it has to fit the crime.
apparantly he caused thousands of dollars in damages but then that could just be the US creating more liverage for his extradition
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It was tong in cheek, but he did take the time to warn them about their lack security.
What's ridiculous is that he rejected a lenient offer:
Representing McKinnon in the House of Lords on 16 June 2008, David Pannick QC (Queen's Counsel) told the Law Lords that the prosecutors had said McKinnon faced a possible 8-10 years in jail if he contested the charges (there were seven counts), but only 37-46 months if he co-operated and went voluntarily to the US.
McKinnon also claimed that he had been told that he could serve part of his sentence in the UK if he co-operated. He had rejected the plea bargain offer as no guarantee had been given by the American
Wiki.
Ah in light of this new information (which I'm blatantly too lazy to find) i recant my previous argument/agreeal (i can't spell iths
) to the arguments pertaining to his extradition under anti terror laws.Rofl hows that for political lingo
Nope he shouldn't be.
I've no problem with him being tried over here by a British court for a crime committed in Britain, and then punished if found guilty, but to extradite him to the US is ridiculous.
I'm really surprised that the European Court of Human Rights haven't stepped in and overturned the HO's decision.
I've no problem with him being tried over here by a British court for a crime committed in Britain, and then punished if found guilty, but to extradite him to the US is ridiculous.
I'm really surprised that the European Court of Human Rights haven't stepped in and overturned the HO's decision.
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Personally I think he should NOT be sent to the US. The crime was committed from the UK so he should be tried in the UK. Secondly the US are using Anti terror laws to get him extrodited (I can't spell) which is completely out of line. The UK should show some balls and go after proper criminals (murderers, perverts etc) rather than some guy who wanted to find evidence about UFO's! I think, obviously, there needs to be some form of punishment but in comparison to the sickening child related court cases that we've all been reading about recently, does this guy honestly deserve to be extrodited and inprisioned for 70 years - of course not!
he apparantly was looking for technology that the US processed and were holding back that could help the 3rd world countries. he also said he found what he was looking for but was unable to save any of the information due to the way he was connecting to their systems.
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Would explain why they are so peeved then.