Should prohibition end?

The main reasons for legislation (not straight legalisation - alcohol isn't directly 'legal' it's covered by various legislations) as far as I'm concerned:

- Tax revenue... billions could go to the goverment instead of criminals
- Currently the only way to get guaranteed safe weed is to grow your own... something that could land you in jail?! Grit-weed etc is an ever growing problem, and for people who don't realise what's going on, they're inhaling some pretty nasty stuff!

Personally... I have never touched e, heroin, coke etc... the only reason for that is because I don't know the source, what it's been cut with etc...

Most substances are ok, as long as they're taken in moderation. Everything can be abused... alcohol and tobacco are abused more than weed ever could be with respect to the potential health detriment.

It doesn't matter how illegal it is... people will always want it and find ways to get it. Better to have supply controlled by the goverment making it much much safer & obviously, the revenue can help toward our national debt.



When it does finally become 'legal'... I'll be one of the first to open up a 'coffee' shop :D
 
Longbow said:
But you could say that about anything. Murder is illegal but it still happens.
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Murder affects people other than the murderer; specifically, the victim and everyone who knew the victim. Using a drug does not. There are no victims involved when you decide to take a drug. What you take into your own body should not be anyone's business other than your own. The moment your actions adversely affect another person, THEN AND ONLY THEN should the law intervene.
 
In December 2009, the United Nations' Drugs and Crime Tsar Antonio Maria Costa claimed that illegal drug's money saved the banking industry from collapse. He claimed he had seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were "the only liquid investment capital" available to some banks on the brink of collapse during 2008. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result. "In many instances, the money from drugs was the only liquid investment capital. In the second half of 2008, liquidity was the banking system's main problem and hence liquid capital became an important factor...Inter-bank loans were funded by money that originated from the drugs trade and other illegal activities... There were signs that some banks were rescued that way"
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Brilliant.....:rolleyes::D
 
8igdave said:
Then why do I know someone who died from weed? Ripped up all their stomache from smoking too much when they started puking and died from the internal bleeding and spewing acid about his body.
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No dis-respect to the person who died but seriously.. wtf? It sound's like he had underlying health issues already, Cannabis does NOT induce extreme vomiting like that, In the 20 years I've smoked, 1000's of people I know who smoke, 10,000's of stories/media propaganda I've read I have never seen or heard anything like this.
This must have been a very rare case and it must have been covered by the media, Do you have a link??

8igdave said:
Not to mention that there IS a correlation between smoking tobacco and weed and that would make more people smoke tabaco, which is also a bad thing.
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Bull**** mate, Sorry but it is. I was smokng cigs at age 14, Began smoking Cannabis at about 18-20 and then stopped smoking cigs at age 24 as I'd had enough of them, The Cannabis didn't lead me to smoking tobacco, Nore did it pro-long me smoking tobacco as I stopped when I was ready without problems..

:rolleyes:
 
Amsterdam has marijuana legalized don't it, I heard crime rates increased quite a bit as a result of that.

As far as I know Amsterdam showed that legalizing is not that good of a move.
 
8igdave said:
Then why do I know someone who died from weed? Ripped up all their stomache from smoking too much when they started puking and died from the internal bleeding and spewing acid about his body.

Quite frankly, anyone who thinks legalising drugs is a good idea is a moron. The mortality rate would hit a new high. People do stupid things when on drugs, just like alcohol. The differnce is alcohol has a lot of warnings before you do something stupid and most people will puke/passout first.

Not to mention that there IS a correlation between smoking tobacco and weed and that would make more people smoke tabaco, which is also a bad thing.
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What an incredible pile of garbage! How on earth did their stomach get 'ripped up' from smoking green?????

There's not one case of someone dying from weed... please show me some form of proof if I'm wrong and have been mis-lead!

Weed makes you dosile and relaxed... it's not going to make you kill yourself... it's much more likely to make you fat (it has me)... thanks to the munchies... that's the biggest health side-effect it has... and it's controllable... I don't have to eat so many sweeties :p

There's only a correlation between tobacco and weed when it's smoked in the worst possible way... mixed together in a spliff.

I started smoking it that way, but hated the taste of the tobacco so moved to a bong... now I have a Volcano (vapouriser) and haven't touched tobacco in years... no desire to either... tobacco is gross!

To spout all that garbage, you must have never tried it & you can only have an objective opinion when you've tried it at least once or twice... another fail of prohibition!
 
If the only reason you have not tried: e, heroin, coke etc... is due to what it may have been cut with you are fairly ignorant to the additive properties of some of these drugs.

Yes I agree taking out the illegal and having a government controlled source for drugs would make them safer and potentially cheaper to the end user, but it will not remove the drug users need for money, which has to be sourced from somewhere as your typical heroin addict is unlikely to be able to hold down a steady job.

You are over simplifying the problems with basic and relatively safe examples and then applying it to completely different classes of drugs.
 
A.N.Other said:
Seeing as you didn't even actually say what you were talking about in the OP, I'd say it was you that wasn't looking at the 'big picture'. But anyway.
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He was too stoned to know what he was talking about.

Make prostituion legal and tax it, make drugs legal and have glaxo make them, and tax them. Its an option, but folks need to be aware zero tolerance for workplace or machinery or driving under influence, and similarly, alcohol and rugs shouldn't be mitigating in circumstance, they should make sentences more harsh, due to complete lack of regard for loss of control.

-Personally Id want to see how much we make or stand to make in taxes before changing the law.
 
StonedPenguin said:
No dis-respect to the person who died but seriously.. wtf? It sound's like he had underlying health issues already, Cannabis does NOT induce extreme vomiting like that, In the 20 years I've smoked, 1000's of people I know who smoke, 10,000's of stories/media propaganda I've read I have never seen or heard anything like this.
This must have been a very rare case and it must have been covered by the media, Do you have a link??
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To add... weed has exactly the opposite effect, it reduces nausia and improves many patients appetite precisely due to that fact!

That's why a lot of aids/cancer/etc patients use...
 
Nerusy said:
Amsterdam has marijuana legalized don't it, I heard crime rates increased quite a bit as a result of that.

As far as I know Amsterdam showed that legalizing is not that good of a move.
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Link? The only reason I could see crime increasing would be us lot going over there and causing trouble, I don't think that many Dutch actually smoke it :p

What about Portugal legalising drugs and seeing quite a lot of benefits?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization

Biohazard said:
Erm

http://www.lifemeanshealth.com/heal...-8-prisons-due-to-plummeting-crime-rates.html

You've just made that up on the spot haven't you?
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Ha, didn't see that. I thought he had :D
 
Nerusy said:
Amsterdam has marijuana legalized don't it, I heard crime rates increased quite a bit as a result of that.

As far as I know Amsterdam showed that legalizing is not that good of a move.
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lol? The crime rates fell upon legislation, I can find a few articles with stats if you want.

The biggest thing to change in Holland upon legislation was the massive drop in Heroin addicts. There heroin addicts rate hasnt risen since the early 80's, Where as the UK's has more than quad-rupled. The dutch's approach to labeling drugs 'hard' or 'soft' seems to have had a massive drop in user's of the 'hard' drugs (heroin, crack, coke etc)

The problems you hear about in Amsterdam generally comes from the drugs tourism which is worth billions to the dutch government, If legalised world-wide or at least in europe, These promlems related to drug tourism, criminals, prison over-crowding, Medical patients denied vital medicine, Would all end. So would the economy problems as the revenue would stabilize the economy some-what.
 
The best reason for legalising drugs:

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StonedPenguin said:
No dis-respect to the person who died but seriously.. wtf? It sound's like he had underlying health issues already, Cannabis does NOT induce extreme vomiting like that, In the 20 years I've smoked, 1000's of people I know who smoke, 10,000's of stories/media propaganda I've read I have never seen or heard anything like this.
This must have been a very rare case and it must have been covered by the media, Do you have a link??
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Basically what happened was we went out clubbing, got drunk came home he started smoking weed and the combination just sent his body way over the edge and he started puking and couldn't stop.

Weed can induce vomiting, i've seen it a fair few times when people have too much and green out they sometimes vomit like crazy. No one can claim they smoke weed and not know about that. And no it was not covered by the media, odly enough wasn't really something we wanted to go public with.

I'm not saying it was the weed that directly killed him, but the point I made in my post is that people don't know when to stop with drugs. If he had of just had a bit he would have been drunk and high and fine but he kept going because there were no warnings like you'd have with alcohol.

I've seen a guy from south africa smoke perhaps the biggest spliff I've ever seen and he was puking like crazy after as well, same could have happened to him. Same can happen to anyone who drinks a stupid amount or has extream case of food poisoning etc. I'm not saying it's limited to weed.

Me personally, last time I did weed I had a panic attack because it made me so anxious. Just affects people differently doesn't it. Yet alcohol I can go all day on so I stick to it.

crinkleshoes said:
What an incredible pile of garbage! How on earth did their stomach get 'ripped up' from smoking green?????

There's not one case of someone dying from weed... please show me some form of proof if I'm wrong and have been mis-lead!
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You really want to go out and say no one has ever died from weed? If you puke enough times you run out of things in your stomache to puke and puke up the lining of it instead. Puke up enough of it and it splits your stomache and kills you. Painful way to die.

Bull**** mate, Sorry but it is. I was smokng cigs at age 14, Began smoking Cannabis at about 18-20 and then stopped smoking cigs at age 24 as I'd had enough of them, The Cannabis didn't lead me to smoking tobacco, Nore did it pro-long me smoking tobacco as I stopped when I was ready without problems..

:rolleyes:
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Are you really honestly telling me that if you let everyone smoke weed the number of people smoking tobacco wouldn't go up?

Seriously guys are you playing ignorant on purpose?
 
iraiguana said:
If the only reason you have not tried: e, heroin, coke etc... is due to what it may have been cut with you are fairly ignorant to the additive properties of some of these drugs.

Yes I agree taking out the illegal and having a government controlled source for drugs would make them safer and potentially cheaper to the end user, but it will not remove the drug users need for money, which has to be sourced from somewhere as your typical heroin addict is unlikely to be able to hold down a steady job.

You are over simplifying the problems with basic and relatively safe examples and then applying it to completely different classes of drugs.
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Yes, I am... and why is that? Oh yeah... prohibition... it not only puts a lot of money in the hands of criminals... it limits the flow of information and the research that can be done.

I do not want to touch drugs like that until I know exactly what is in them... even then, I would never be interested in intravenous drugs.

You're right about the need for money & part of a few of the copius amounts of reports that have been done on the subject have summised... it would be much much cheaper to provide free safe drugs in a controlled environment to addicts than it is to have it criminalised!

There is a country who's currently doing this, or about to start doing this... I forget exactly who off the top of my head (short term memory problems and all - lmao)... I can see that this may increase the number of users/addicts, however from the outset of the idea, it seems as though it would noticeably decrease addict-related crimes.

I'm not going to write an essay on here... so yes, I am over-simplifying... I could talk/write for ages on the subject.

The main point I care about:

- I should be able to put whatever I want to put in my body without being deamed a criminal for it... I should also know the source and contents.

It should only be criminal when it directly affects another human being... and a small percentage of people commiting crimes to fund their habbit is hardly a reason to make the substance illegal... people frequently steal alcohol & steal money for alcohol... whether it's legal or not will never change that!
 
Think of the number of people (police, solicitors) who would be out of work if any drug was legalised. The "war on drugs" keeps everything ticking over and gives your average meat head police officer something easy to keep them occupied.

Think about it. Catching say, a burglar, is tricky. He goes in, takes a few things and runs off - very difficult to catch him in the act and a lot of hard work for the police to secure a conviction. Whereas a quick search of someone mildly suspicious on the street and hey presto, another easy conviction secured for possession of a controlled substance.
 
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