Should prohibition end?

Geez one day I get people who provide evidence Amsterdam was better off other days I get evidence Amsterdam was worse off.

It's odd, if legalization or decriminalization has shown to have been a positive effect then why didn't everyone in the world or at least Europe adopted such policy?

There's must be something more to it.
 
1.Would you go out and use heroin, ecstasy of cocaine if it was made legal? I know I wouldn't.

2. Putting people in prison for doing something on their own time which isn't hurting anyone but themselves is ludicrous.

3. Does keeping drugs illegal make the drugs more dangerous through lack of regulation? Yes.

4. Keeping drugs illegal channels money into organised crime home and abroad.

5. Do I personally care what other people do to their bodies? Why is it my business?

6. Which kills more people - alcohol, tobacco or cannabis? (pick 2!)

7. It costs a ridiculous amount of money to keep people in prison.

8. A recent experiment in Portugal showed drug decriminalization to be a success.

I just wish the government was mature enough to have a sensible debate rather than continuing to pander to the social taboos and misguided opinions. I might well be wrong, but I don't understand why we aren't listening to the experts like Professor Nutt, and instead listening to Helen "think of the children" Lovejoy about it all.

For the record I've never used any drugs at all apart from Alcohol.
 
Nerusy said:
Geez one day I get people who provide evidence Amsterdam was better off other days I get evidence Amsterdam was worse off.

It's odd, if legalization or decriminalization has shown to have been a positive effect then why didn't everyone in the world or at least Europe adopted such policy?

There's must be something more to it.
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social stigma, would cost votes for whoever enacted it, uninformed people...
 
simulatorman said:
What's your addrees, I'll send the bill over.
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Why?

How in any way possible could that possitively affect you or anyone you care about?

What he does in the privacy of his own home to his own body with absolutely no effect on any person but himself is none of your business. COOL IT WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.

I'm sure it was a sarcastic remark... but it's people who genuinely think like that and follow a stupid law blindly who are making prohibition drag on and on and on... for no good reason.
 
8igdave said:
Basically what happened was we went out clubbing, got drunk came home he started smoking weed and the combination just sent his body way over the edge and he started puking and couldn't stop.

Weed can induce vomiting, i've seen it a fair few times when people have too much and green out they sometimes vomit like crazy. No one can claim they smoke weed and not know about that. And no it was not covered by the media, odly enough wasn't really something we wanted to go public with.

I'm not saying it was the weed that directly killed him, but the point I made in my post is that people don't know when to stop with drugs. If he had of just had a bit he would have been drunk and high and fine but he kept going because there were no warnings like you'd have with alcohol.

I've seen a guy from south africa smoke perhaps the biggest spliff I've ever seen and he was puking like crazy after as well, same could have happened to him. Same can happen to anyone who drinks a stupid amount or has extream case of food poisoning etc. I'm not saying it's limited to weed.
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I regularly drink alcohol and smoke weed (weekends generally), Sometimes I drink more alcohol than other times and I've only ever been sick because of the alcohol.. May sound ignorant I know but it goes like this when sober... Smoke cannabis, Then drink alcohol = Fine, Drink alcohol and then smoke cannabis after and the effects are much more intense and you're more likly to puke (because of the alcohol)

This south african guy.. Sounds a bit random to me, Never been sick from using jsut Cannabis alone.

8igdave said:
Me personally, last time I did weed I had a panic attack because it made me so anxious. Just affects people differently doesn't it. Yet alcohol I can go all day on so I stick to it.
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Weed does effect people in different ways, Just like alcohol. The thing that weed doesn't do to some people is make them a psychotic violent idiot like alcohol does.

8igdave said:
Are you really honestly telling me that if you let everyone smoke weed the number of people smoking tobacco wouldn't go up?
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Yes I am. More than half the smoker's I know don't use tobacco, They use pipe's and/or Bongs. Tobacco is horrid nasty stuff.
 
As long as it's done correctly, yes. But it would certainly depend on the drug itself and it's level of damage/addictiveness, etc. Marijuana, for example, is fine. Perhaps they should also have a look at Alcohol and the devastating effects that it has on society instead of blaming cigarettes and weed for all the world's problems.
 
Nerusy said:
Geez one day I get people who provide evidence Amsterdam was better off other days I get evidence Amsterdam was worse off.

It's odd, if legalization or decriminalization has shown to have been a positive effect then why didn't everyone in the world or at least Europe adopted such policy?

There's must be something more to it.
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The origin of cannibis illegality came from the timber lobby in the states...

Subsequent propaganda has kept it that way, biasing peoples' opinions who don't know any better.
 
Why would social stigma prevent the government from legalizing drugs, strip clubs and gambling is not exactly socially adored and they're legal.

It does seem very strange to me that government is not taking steps to legalize if it is in fact as shown by other countries is the right move.

I hear California legalized medical marijuana perhaps that's the beginning (testing out) which in future would lead by example to other western countries.

But really I don't think social stigma alone would prevent decriminalization of marijuana given that positive effect of it is a fact. General public have a lot of misconceptions, it never stopped the government from not listening the public and doing something that they think is for the "greater good"
 
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Sure, why not? Doesn't harm anyone else does it? A lot less than alcohol I'd imagine...

If people want to smoke a natural narcotic, and as long as they don't harm anyone else whilst doing it, fine as far as Im concerned. Lot's of people do it anyway - as said, why not have that money going to the government through taxation, rather than to the black market? Pharmaceutical companies will get hold of it, market it, and make money from it and a whole new industry could be born through the processing of safe, refined narcotics for domestic use.

I think a lot of people play the "but it can harm users!!" card a bit much. So what? Why should the nanny state have to lay down laws and regulations to protect citizens from themselves? Alcohol is arguably worse as a drug, especially in volume, and smoking is known to increase the risk of cancer and degrade your health, yet it isn't banned. People are made aware of the risks and allowed to choose whether or not to partake in consumption. Why cant it be the same with light drugs?

Im not a drug user...I've never even so much as smoked a cigarette, and although I used to drink quite regularly, I do so a hell of a lot less now, so this isn't an opinion borne or my own desire for easy access to drugs.


8igdave said:
Quite frankly, anyone who thinks legalising drugs is a good idea is a moron.
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What a ridiculous statement. Why are they are a moron, because they disagree with you? You have witnessed a disastrous personal loss as a result of a drug use, and you have my sympathy, but to then discount the millions of people who use drugs every day with little or no ill effect and to brand anyone who disagrees with your own personal opinion a "moron" is bordering on offensive and doing your argument no favours.
 
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As far as I'm aware, there are no countries who have taxation on drugs.


How would it work, presuming we legalise weed. Would all the tobacco companies suddenly start selling 10 packs? Where would it be grown that doesn't give money to the criminals.

If it is to be legalised, it would have to be a world wide effort.
 
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No it shouldnt.

In many ways it makes no sense but it cant be seen to be condoned IMO.
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but alchohol can be... alchohol is far worse than cannabis its just the goverment decided to demonise one for so many years so now people just assume its some evil drug.

its legal to buy cannabis seeds anyway so anyone who really wants to can just grow it and use a carbon filter to eliminate any odour
 
I'd consider legalising cannibus - or at least decriminalising it - as I don't think its much of an problem to society. In fact its quite fun sometimes, although I've seen many people get too carried away with it. I would like it to taxed highly (alcohol also). I would ideally support Scandinavian style taxation.

I see no place in society for heroin, its far too easy to mess up on it and die. Its also far too addictive and turns people into slaves. I would support Chinese style punishments for hard drug dealers i.e a bullet in the back of the head.

My opinions on drugs are soft for soft and hard for hard.
 
StonedPenguin said:
No I mean the illegal status of drugs within the UK, ie: Cannabis, Cocaine, Ecstasy etc.

All prohibition is doing at present is giving billions to organised crime gangs to fund other terrorism amoungst other things..
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No they should start giving penaltys that fit the crime. The importation of millions of pounds of class A drugs gets a couple of years in jail with the reductions in sentencing. Hardly a deterrent.
 
Judgeneo said:
As far as I'm aware, there are no countries who have taxation on drugs.


How would it work, presuming we legalise weed. Would all the tobacco companies suddenly start selling 10 packs? Where would it be grown that doesn't give money to the criminals.

If it is to be legalised, it would have to be a world wide effort.
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I don't know of any countries who don't tax drugs :confused:
 
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