Should Wenger sign a new deal?

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I think discussions need to be had with Klopp to see if he is available before any decision is made on Wenger. With his Dortmund squad basically being stripped from under him I can't imagine he is too happy to remain there - a new challenge, a side already playing the kind of football that he likes - has to be worth a conversation.
 
Taken Arsenal as far as they can go under him. Should leave with maybe an FA cup at the end of the season and look for a new challenge.

Finally spent big this Summer and still has not improved the team. He is tactically out smarted by the teams above him and around him.
 
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Getting rid of Wenger probably won't change much. The problem is the owners and the board don't care. As long as we keep on ticking over and making them a profit then they have no real aspirations beyond that. Things will only change when the board and owners make a decision on what sort of club they want Arsenal to be. Is Arsenal a top club competing for titles, or is it a club whose only aspiration is getting into the CL and maybe fluking an FA cup win.

How can you aspire to win anything when no one cares (apart from the fans) if you fail for the same reasons year in year out.

To be honest i wouldn't be suprised if Wenger walks this summer.
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This is something I've wondered for a while and something similar applied to Utd over the last few years. If you're Kroenke, you have no genuine sporting interest in Arsenal, would you allow the club to spend £60-100m in the hope that they can take the next step and seriously challenge for titles? Or would you would sit back and spend little to nothing, knowing you'll make the top 4?

From a financial point of view it's madness for him to spend. You could throw £100m at Arsenal and because of the competition you face, you still might not win the League. And for him/Arsenal to see a return on his/their investment (over and above what they're already earning), Arsenal are going need to seriously establish themselves as a mega club in Europe which'll take years and massive money.

The risk reward ratio for a club like Arsenal is too high when you're owned by somebody like Kroenke. I hope Liverpool never end up in a similar situation.
 
BaZ87 said:
This is something I've wondered for a while and something similar applied to Utd over the last few years. If you're Kroenke, you have no genuine sporting interest in Arsenal, would you allow the club to spend £60-100m in the hope that they can take the next step and seriously challenge for titles? Or would you would sit back and spend little to nothing, knowing you'll make the top 4?

From a financial point of view it's madness for him to spend. You could throw £100m at Arsenal and because of the competition you face, you still might not win the League. And for him/Arsenal to see a return on his/their investment (over and above what they're already earning), Arsenal are going need to seriously establish themselves as a mega club in Europe which'll take years and massive money.

The risk reward ratio for a club like Arsenal is too high when you're owned by somebody like Kroenke. I hope Liverpool never end up in a similar situation.
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If Everton manage to get in the CL with a 65-70mil wage spend, then wtf are Arsenal doing with a 160mil wage spend?

Regardless of extra money the owners may want to put in, the money currently spent could be spent WAY better.

We just gave Ramsey, scoring Cardiff(2), Swansea, Norwich, Stoke, Sunderland(2) and Liverpool.... in his first genuinely good 3 month spell ever at Arsenal after years and we throw 100k a week at him? Scoring a bit against some terrible sides early in the season. Nuts, completely nuts. IF and I mean IF, he can maintain that form for a year (even scoring against same types of teams mostly) then we should think about it. But we gave a sicknote, more injured than not 100k a week because he had like 8 good games? Gibbs got a new bigger contract regardless of the fact he CAN'T DEFEND.

The current money being spent CAN be spent MUCH better.

Again think about this, last year CHelsea got their wage spend down to 173mil, Arsenal's is predicted this year to be up at 160mil. Can we really pretend the gap is huge and Arsenal can't be competitive? Can we buy 50mil finished talent every year, no, but we can buy those same players 5 years earlier at 10mil no problem, no problem in the slightest.

The products coming out of our vastly expensive youth setup is an embarrassment. There are literally dozens of better youth academies producing far more talent while spending a fraction of what we do.

We need a massive overhaul, new mentality, frankly new youth/academy coaches because they've been doing **** for years. Of the youngsters in the team very very few haven't been bought. Gibbs signed at around 18, AOC, Ramsey, Walcott, Jenks. Wilshere is the only genuine talent we've bought through the youth academy and the general quality of the players coming out of it has been shocking. When you look at Barca, Bayern or you know, Southampton. The resources we have, the money we spend, the results are pathetic at every level of the club. Medical results, youth academy results, first team, management, financially(exceptionally, like embarrassingly poor commercial income compared to similar clubs over the past decade... we've literally thrown away 300+mil with weak ass shirt/kit/stadium sponsorship deals).

Everyone needs changing, and huge portions of the first team, squad, reserve and youth players need getting rid of. It starts with Wenger, his failing philosophy and idea's.

Ultimately it's Wenger telling the board 4th is a trophy. Mourinho(who I absolutely do not want) would be telling the board 4th is a failure.
 
BaZ87 said:
This is something I've wondered for a while and something similar applied to Utd over the last few years. If you're Kroenke, you have no genuine sporting interest in Arsenal, would you allow the club to spend £60-100m in the hope that they can take the next step and seriously challenge for titles? Or would you would sit back and spend little to nothing, knowing you'll make the top 4?

From a financial point of view it's madness for him to spend. You could throw £100m at Arsenal and because of the competition you face, you still might not win the League. And for him/Arsenal to see a return on his/their investment (over and above what they're already earning), Arsenal are going need to seriously establish themselves as a mega club in Europe which'll take years and massive money.

The risk reward ratio for a club like Arsenal is too high when you're owned by somebody like Kroenke. I hope Liverpool never end up in a similar situation.
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But most of our failing this season is due to wenger and the coaching staff.

Liverpool have spent less then us yet look where they are in the table.

It just shows that its not all about £££
 
I don't want him to sign, and he's got to go at some point anyway - it's not like he's got another decade in him. I like the guy and want him to do well but at this point we're only 4 points better off than we were last season at the same point, the annual choke was saved for the most imperfect time and as usual the squad is decimated with injuries. There's the FA Cup but let's be honest - everyone is expecting Wigan to make us look silly, and we'll probably oblige.
 
I just wonder how many of the people staying he should stay have only experience Arsenal under Wenger. The whole 'the grass isn't always greener' doesn't count when your grass is brown to begin with.

The last game I went to was Arsenal-Spurs when we were 2-0 up at half time only to throw it away and lose 3-2. After that I was no longer prepared to spend any of my hard earned cash on watching the same capitulation season after season. That was 3 and a half years ago and I cannot see what has changed. I've said for a good few seasons that Wenger should go but the majority of people thought I was crazy etc, but even back then you could see that he has no tactical flexibility. Yesterday we were 2-0 down but he continues to stick with his 'performance stat' related substitutions and completly ignores what's going on on the pitch. Any manager worth his salt would have bought Ramsey and Ox on at half time yesterday because I think to everybody but Wenger, it was obvious a change was needed.

Wenger was lucky in a way because he had players like Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires, Ljungberg et al who were good enough to carry the team regardless of the tactics we set out to play with. We no longer have that calibre of player yet Wenger still expects us to just go out and win without studying the opposition. This just shows how out of touch he is. Martinez yesterday said he played Lukaku out on the right because of us playing Monreal and Vermaelen. Also, Giroud. A Striker. Our first choice striker. This is Arsenal, look at the strikers we've had over the years and now Giroud is our first choice?!! My arthritic granddad can run faster than him. And his shooting? Don't even get me started on that. His shot to goal ratio has to be one of the lowest in the Premiership. He is awful.

I can't think of another manager in the premiership who doesn't look at his opponents and study for weak spots. People are worried that whoever will come in won't perform but it's not like Wenger has been Ferguson for the last 10 seasons, he's been lucky, very lucky, to get us into the top 4 each season.

The longer he stays the bitterer my memories become. I hate that I feel like this, but the sooner he goes the better. Even typing this out has got me all pent up. :mad:
 
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Is there any point posting stuff on Arsenal anymore? DM will reply with a full dissertation mainly based around wages and the defensive frailties of Bacary Sagna which pretty much kills all the other discussion. /Yawn.
 
If I was an Arsenal fan I think at this point I would want someone else in. Wenger's body language yesterday in the post match interview was horrendous. He looks like he doesn't have the appetite for trying to turn things around.

You need a young manager who understands the modern game. Wenger hasn't changed his tactics in years. You need someone like Rodgers or Martinez but I can't see either of them going to Arsenal as they both have long term plans for their current clubs.
 
I think he needs to go now. I had hopes at the start of the season but it's just all panned out the same way it always does :(
AS for a replacement, Martinez would probably be a good appointment but it's going to be a few more tough years I think!
 
Purdy said:
During the European ban Everton did pretty well, I mean we still did better but they did well
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The European ban ruined us. Our team in 1985 was pretty much the best in Europe (and voted as such), but when English teams were banned a lot of our better players left us. We still did well for a couple of years (and won the league again in 1987), but that's what killed us off IMO.
 
Personally i think Wenger has lost his motivational skills, yesterday it didnt look like any of the players out on the pitch were all that bothered about playing. There didnt seem to be any sort of passion/confidence or a real will to get forward and score a goal or 2.

Interesting stat i read this morning and basically says it all:

7th Feb we were 2 pts on top..
9 games later..
6th April we are 1 pt away from dropping out of the top 4.

Everyone likes to poke fun at Tottenham and the way they capitulated in the race for 4th over the past few seasons but the way we have gone into free fall is nothing short of embarrassing. Of course injuries to Walcott, Ramsey, Wilshere and even Ozil hasnt helped matters much but the players we have that are fit, should really be playing out of their skins to make their claims for first team action.

Ive said it before and ill say it again, i dont think Wenger can take us any further than what we are at the moment. Sure we could give him £100mill to spend on new players but my fear is that he will buy the wrong players ie players who come from crappy leagues, havent won any major trophies and arent world class or real quality. Jan transfer window proved that, most of the month we were linked with Draxler, who would have added that little bit more quality in the side...only for Wenger to decide he wasnt worth the pricetag but instead we end up with a crocked midfielder on loan, Kallstrom. We needed a decent striker and that wasnt given any priority. From then on i thought Wenger had truly lost it, it was a terrible Jan transfer window where we could have strengthened the team for the tough games we had in March.

If we get 4th and win the FA Cup then i could see Wenger staying on ie signing a new contract. If we end up with nothing ie FA Cup and 4th then i wouldnt be surprised if Wenger walks away.
 
I think Wenger is off in the Summer. I'm sure he wanted to go out on a high, but as soon as injuries took their toll and the wheels fell off, he's looked like his mind is elsewhere. I think he'll drop that bombshell after he wins the FA Cup.

I think he's going to Barcelona. I also think Martinez to Arsenal is a real possibility. Regardless of where they finish respectively. The only thing that would tempt Martinez to turn that down would be the real possibility of a takeover at Everton if they qualify for the CL. Even then, I think he'd find it hard to turn down the cash, the profile and the Emirates.

Better Martinez than Klopp as far as Arsenal are concerned. The damage it would do to a fledgling domestic rival would be considerable.
 
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Apparently Klopp is unhappy at Dortmund.

As much as I appreciate Wenger I think Klopp would be the perfect person to bring in. Now seems the right time to do it.

Get it done.
 
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