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Sick of waiting for NVidia refresh...

I still don't understand why people knock 1080p.....
Nothing wrong with 1080p, blu ray films still look great IMO. Don't forget with a big TV it's also being viewed further away than a monitor.

Also this is coming from somone with a 24" 1440p 165hz Gsync screen, so higher pixel density than even some larger 4k screens ;)
 
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Nobody ever said there was no benefit to owning a PC.

Also nobody ever said that a console offers the best experience, when money is unlimited.

Glad we could clear that up.



Which is fine. Everybody is entitled to an opion and to like what they like.

Just don't throw around lies like "consoles can't ever do >30FPS, lol".



If you are considering a console over a GFX upgrade, you probably don't have cash to throw at:

* A 4k monitor

* A 1080 ti

* A new Ferrari

This may be why you "don't understand 1080p peasants"... you probably have more money than sense ability to empathise with others.

I never said anything about 1080p being the low cost option, or 4k, (i dont have 4k) i just said higher than 1080p at higher than 60fps is something PC's have supported for the last 10 years and not being an option on console - i think i had a 560ti at the time.

If you buy loads of games a console could end up costing as much as a GPU so i dont really see how you need to make it into a "oh you must just have too much money to care what anyone else thinks" issue... i have friends who spend loads more on cameras or a motorbike or whatever than I do on my PC and none of these are making much more than average wages, i don't go on to those forums and say "£2000 for a camera, no thanks i just got a phone, that'll do me, can yours make me look like a tiger? No didnt think so" and expect a huge pat on the back like i just handed out consumer advice of the year.

Anyone can afford a gaming PC if they want to, if they dont want to thats fine, but i dont really get what all the peacocking about like console is the only sensible option.
 
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I never said anything about 1080p being the low cost option, or 4k, (i dont have 4k) i just said higher than 1080p at higher than 60fps is something PC's have supported for the last 10 years and not being an option on console

If you buy loads of games a console could end up costing as much as a GPU so i dont really see how you need to make it into a "oh you must just have too much money to care what anyone else thinks" issue... i have friends who spend loads more on cameras or a motorbike or whatever than I do on my PC and none of these are making much more than average wages

Anyone can afford a gaming PC if they want to, if they dont want to thats fine, but i dont really get what all the peacocking about like console is the only sensible option.
The cost of console games isn't an issue. For one, they tend to get the same deep discounts that Steam do (or used to), if you don't have to buy on day 1. Eg picked up FF15 for £5 from ASDA recently.

Second, you can trade them with others for the cost of P&P only (I wouldn't bother using a shop like CEX). Obviously you can't trade your Steam games with anyone, ever. And frankly unless you're the kind of gamer who likes to collect and keep, or often replays old games, trading in is perfectly valid way to keep games costs down.

I find it odd, that so many people are willing - nay, eager - to justify the high costs of current (and next) gen GPUs. "A yacht is more expensive; so is a Rembrandt. So what are you complaining about??!! On UK average wage you could afford one in a couple months if you didn't eat!"

And for those of us who have gone to consoles as a result, the endless droning on about "You can't do 4k/144hz, can you?" is completely missing the point. Some of us like gaming, but not enough to sell a kidney for the pleasure.
 
The cost of console games isn't an issue. For one, they tend to get the same deep discounts that Steam do (or used to), if you don't have to buy on day 1. Eg picked up FF15 for £5 from ASDA recently.

Second, you can trade them with others for the cost of P&P only (I wouldn't bother using a shop like CEX). Obviously you can't trade your Steam games with anyone, ever. And frankly unless you're the kind of gamer who likes to collect and keep, or often replays old games, trading in is perfectly valid way to keep games costs down.

I find it odd, that so many people are willing - nay, eager - to justify the high costs of current (and next) gen GPUs. "A yacht is more expensive; so is a Rembrandt. So what are you complaining about??!! On UK average wage you could afford one in a couple months if you didn't eat!"

And for those of us who have gone to consoles as a result, the endless droning on about "You can't do 4k/144hz, can you?" is completely missing the point. Some of us like gaming, but not enough to sell a kidney for the pleasure.

I think you've completely lost the plot again.
I dont think a yacht would be good value for money for me either, yet I manage to refrain from going on yachting forums to crow about how i bought a lilo in argos for £5.99 so clearly they are all crazy.
 
I think you've completely lost the plot again.
I dont think a yacht would be good value for money for me either, yet I manage to refrain from going on yachting forums to crow about how i bought a lilo in argos for £5.99 so clearly they are all crazy.
The problem with that is that analogy is that consoles contain APUs, which can be directly compared to a GPU.

This is the GPU forum, yes, and comparisons between GPUs and APUs are perfectly valid...

A console's perf/£ is therefore relevant when judging GPUs... it means you can't make GPUs ridiculously expensive and not expect a sizeable chunk of your (former) customer base to say "sod that", and leave (for alternative gaming platforms).

Nobody is claiming consoles offer the same experience. But they are an awful lot cheaper than just about any 10 series GPU on the market as of today. As alien as it obviously is to you, some of us decided the cost of PC gaming GPUs makes the whole deal not worth it.

Let me know when a console has games that look like this

Yes, way to miss the point (again). PC games do indeed perform and look better if you throw cash at a PC gaming rig! Quelle surprise!

Let me know when a PC costing £350 looks like a PS4 Pro. Heck, you can't even build a gaming PC with legal Windows for £350. When your GPU alone will be £300 to achieve parity (in today's market).
 
We are all gamers at the end of the day. We should be caring more about the quality of games being put out rather than if we can run them at 100fps @ 4k.

Personally, some of the best gaming experiences I've had have come from the PS4 and some of my most anticipated releases for 2018 are PS4 exclusives too. I genuinely feel sorry for people who say they "can't game at anything below xxx fps" as they are missing out on some great games - the recent remake of Shadow of the Colossus is truly remarkable but on a PS4 Pro it's 60fps @ 1080p or 30fps @ 4k.

I don't particularly like switching from ultrawide to 16:9 and a lower frame rate to play on the PS4 Pro, but I soon adjust once I get sucked into a decent game, which is what it should be all about.
 
We are all gamers at the end of the day. We should be caring more about the quality of games being put out rather than if we can run them at 100fps @ 4k.

Personally, some of the best gaming experiences I've had have come from the PS4 and some of my most anticipated releases for 2018 are PS4 exclusives too. I genuinely feel sorry for people who say they "can't game at anything below xxx fps" as they are missing out on some great games - the recent remake of Shadow of the Colossus is truly remarkable but on a PS4 Pro it's 60fps @ 1080p or 30fps @ 4k.

I don't particularly like switching from ultrawide to 16:9 and a lower frame rate to play on the PS4 Pro, but I soon adjust once I get sucked into a decent game, which is what it should be all about.

Bang on.

People worry too much about the specs and not enough about the quality of games.
Sony have it right with the PS4 Pro, if you compared its exclusive lineup to the XBOX One. [Note I do not own either lol]

The main benefit I see in PC is having a huge library of games which you can 60fps/4k-remaster instantly. If I didn't have such a huge backlog, I'd consider dumping PC gaming. Back in the day, I could easily justify the price of a rig given it was a PC, gaming machine, HTPC etc.. nowadays we have little amazon sticks which can act as HTPCs tho..!
 
i have friends who spend loads more on cameras or a motorbike or whatever than I do on my PC and none of these are making much more than average wages, i don't go on to those forums and say "£2000 for a camera, no thanks i just got a phone, that'll do me, can yours make me look like a tiger? No didnt think so" and expect a huge pat on the back like i just handed out consumer advice of the year.

Absolutely spot on. All this "I can't afford it, so you're an idiot for encouraging it" makes me cringe. Like they have the right to pass judgement on how other people spend their money. As you say, there are hundreds of expensive hobbies that I wouldn't spend my cash on, so I don't.

I'd love to own a Porsche, but I don't go onto Porsche enthusiast forums and tell them they should be driving a Fiesta because both cars can do 70mph anyway. More money than sense, yadda yadda yadda.
 
The problem with that is that analogy is that consoles contain APUs, which can be directly compared to a GPU.

This is the GPU forum, yes, and comparisons between GPUs and APUs are perfectly valid...

once in a while, maybe yes, but not to the exclusion of all other discussion, which is what a couple of members seem to want

A console's perf/£ is therefore relevant when judging GPUs... it means you can't make GPUs ridiculously expensive and not expect a sizeable chunk of your (former) customer base to say "sod that", and leave (for alternative gaming platforms).

Nobody is claiming consoles offer the same experience. But they are an awful lot cheaper than just about any 10 series GPU on the market as of today. As alien as it obviously is to you, some of us decided the cost of PC gaming GPUs makes the whole deal not worth it.

yes, there are lots of things that are cheaper than a PC that you can play games on, vtech sell some "gaming" items for £20, obviously anyone who buys a console for over 10 times that amount is a complete idiot, how dare Sony, microsoft and Nintendo have the gall to charge hundreds of pounds for a kids toy made for playing games!

Yes, way to miss the point (again). PC games do indeed perform and look better if you throw cash at a PC gaming rig! Quelle surprise!

Let me know when a PC costing £350 looks like a PS4 Pro. Heck, you can't even build a gaming PC with legal Windows for £350. When your GPU alone will be £300 to achieve parity (in today's market).

I think its you that is missing the point. This is a PC forum. This is the GPU section of a PC forum. If you want to compare the performance of a console to an APU please go and do it in the CPU/APU section (where I'm sure you'll be greeted warmly [sic]). The whole point of PC gaming is that its customisable to an extent that is not possible with a console. You COULD build a PC for gaming that is cheaper than a console, yes it would not be as good as a console but you can build a PC for less than a console, play games on it, and pay nothing at all for a whole host of free to play games. OR IF YOU CHOOSE TO you can build a top spec gaming PC and play games not available on console. If you choose to. If you don't choose to, that is fine, however I fail to see how choosing not to grants that person the right to bang on and on and on and on and on about it for thread after thread and page after page, this shouldn't be the forum that makes that acceptable behaviour, any more than a Ferrari forum would put up with people banging on about what great value a fiesta is, or a yacht forum would people talking about dingys, or an SLR forum would about how a £100 phone can also take pictures.

Your comparisons are completely ridiculous to those of us that are PC gamers because a console can't do what my PC can do, so it simply doesn't interest me. You like to play console games and that is great for you, I'm really happy that you've decided you don't want to own a gaming PC because a console does what you want it to at a price you are happy to pay. I'm not really impressed by the strutting about like its the only possible option for everyone, when sales figures completely destroy that as a concept. I'd much rather, on the PC GPU section of a PC forum, discuss new technology and new products with people of a similar interest.

I would much prefer it if GPU's were cheaper. The only thing I can recommend if the current prices are too high is to jump in on release day when prices were actually cheaper, which is what I did. But then based on your "Consoles are £350" rhetoric, you were never going to buy a £600+ GPU anyway, so you'd really rather no one had the option either. Its bizarre. All the data points in the opposite direction to your personal opinion.

If you went in to the OCUK shop and stood behind every customer that came in to ask about a GPU and shouted "consoles are cheaper and do the same thing" they'd chuck you out.
 
...so bought an XBox One X - because there is no way I am paying the current price of 1080Ti for 4k gaming and to be frank I am sick of waiting for NVidia to get their fingers out of their proverbial and release 11** series (not to mention the then 7-9 months wait for a Ti version).
Somehow you are implying that a 1080Ti is equivalent to XBox One X? Even a measly 1060 would have probably get you better 4k experience than the xbox, I mean seriously, haven't you heard that consoles use techniques like these (checkerboard rendering, dynamic resolution, upscaling) to a achieve fake 4k at 30 fps, and also they do it at lower settings and small fov as well.
 
technically i quite like the XB1X however even my gtx 980 can at the very least match, and usually beat it in terms of games....... and as already been noted, Xbox now is more of a distribution platfrom now rather than a console. the vast majority of games coming out on the Xbox also come out on PC......... For those without any form of gaming pc i totally get getting an xbox, but for anyone with a GTX 780ti or above, i am not sure it is worth it..... over the lifetime of the console i think console gaming is still pretty expensive, with ~£35 a year for online play and at least a £10 premium on software titles.

for me tho, the biggest thing is the lack of (high quality) VR, i would be lost without my oculus rift, and MS do not seem interested in supporting their VR hmds on the XB1X despite that being in their original E3 sales pitch.

for the gamer, i would say a ps4 pro and a mid range gaming pc pretty much makes the need to down an xbox redundant... but to each their own.

back to OP however, i too am getting sick of waiting. I have a gtx 980 since black friday 2014, and i have the itch to upgrade but i do not want to pay £100 MORE for a card i could have gotten last year, and for a card that, all things being normal should be at the end of its run now, not fetching a crazy premium.
My 4K TV arrived on saturday and i was expecting my gtx 980 to struggle... but its "ok" and manages a minimum of 32fps average of 48 @4k full detail on shadow of mordor benchmark for instance, which i doubt the xbox1 x would be much better.

Aye, plus bug ridden to hell too. I just don't see value in cards that cost over £300. I would see the point if these £500/600 cards were pushing the boundaries of gaming, but as you stated, unfortunately they are not.

play Elite Dangerous VR on the oculus rift / HTC vive and then compare it to the xbox 1 or ps4, or pCARS2 then come back and say that......... I hate the PC master race BS as well.... but there ARE parts of PC gaming which are pushing the envelope.

I totally agree its all about the games however and totally get that consoles have a place too......
 
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Absolutely spot on. All this "I can't afford it, so you're an idiot for encouraging it" makes me cringe. Like they have the right to pass judgement on how other people spend their money. As you say, there are hundreds of expensive hobbies that I wouldn't spend my cash on, so I don't.

I'd love to own a Porsche, but I don't go onto Porsche enthusiast forums and tell them they should be driving a Fiesta because both cars can do 70mph anyway. More money than sense, yadda yadda yadda.


Yup.. you're right.

However with stuff like cameras, watches, pens... I find the value is better. Some purchases can be wise investments whilst others don't deteriorate in value quickly at all. For example if you bought a new graphics card, wait 3-5 years and it will be stripped of value. Spend that on a nice watch or camera lenses, and they will for the most part hold their value.

At the end of the day, its our money to do what we want with it. I just find it weird when people are packing a 1080ti and then playing games which could be played comfortably on a gtx 970 lol.




I still find it hard in my mind to justify the XBOX one X though as its gaming library is poor compared to the PS4 Pro and a nice graphics card will likely outlast it.
 
Yup.. you're right.

However with stuff like cameras, watches, pens... I find the value is better. Some purchases can be wise investments whilst others don't deteriorate in value quickly at all. For example if you bought a new graphics card, wait 3-5 years and it will be stripped of value. Spend that on a nice watch or camera lenses, and they will for the most part hold their value.

if you'd have bought a 1080ti on release day and then set it up to mine when the PC isn't being used for anything else, you'd have had the money back on it several times over by now.
 
Consoles, meh. There's no room for a custom loop for a start.

I'm looking to move upwards to 3440*1440 @ 200fps, HDR, Gsync; all the goodness that new tech has to offer.

All this bragging about 1080p 60Hz should be a banning offence in the GPU section. :mad:
1440p, meh. I have been gaming at 4K since 2014 ;)

Even with no AA, lowered settings to achieve similar fps, 4K looks better in most games I found.
 
We are all gamers at the end of the day. We should be caring more about the quality of games being put out rather than if we can run them at 100fps @ 4k.

Agree with this, I spent years being the sucker chasing ultra settings and what not but I'd find myself not being that invested in games with superb graphics, I'd take a few screenshots and be in awe at a few scenes and then be let down by repetitive or poor gameplay. You look at a lot of the popular PC titles and many of them don't require a top end PC, are poorly optimised or many people, if it's a competitive game, will turn most of the settings off/low to benefit them.

Having recently purchased a switch I've realised there's so much more to gaming, and I've owned Titans, 1080ti's, gsync displays and whatever else was the must have at the time.

I still have my PC with a 4.6ghz 5820k and a 1060 6GB and it does just fine for my needs at the moment.
 
Agree with this, I spent years being the sucker chasing ultra settings and what not but I'd find myself not being that invested in games with superb graphics, I'd take a few screenshots and be in awe at a few scenes and then be let down by repetitive or poor gameplay.

Having recently purchased a switch I've realised there's so much more to gaming, and I've owned Titans, 1080ti's, gsync displays and whatever else was the must have at the time.
That is why I have had a Nintendo Wii, Wii U and now a Switch along side my PC :)

Last year I think Zelda was my favourite game of the year, Mario not being that far behind. The gameplay is just so good.
 
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