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Sick of waiting for NVidia refresh...

nashathedog said:
My biggest concern with console gaming is game compatibility,

Will my PS4 pro games work with the PS5? or will I have to keep the PS4 as well as get a PS5 if I want to play my older games?

With PC it doesn't matter how many times I upgrade or replace my PC, The games will always work with whatever hardware I have.
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i suspect that yes they will... but we cant be certain.

The PS3 was a completely bizarre piece of hardware, expensive to make, a pig for devs to get the most out of it and therefore hard to emulate (and because of the expense sony were not going to throw in a ps3 chip in with the ps4)

however the ps4 is to all intents and purposes a pc. .... therefore it is not outrageous to expect the next ps......5 or what ever will not just be a stronger version of the ps4/pro and so older games i reckon will work.
 
willhub said:
A console isn't a PC and will never be, it's a brick that sits under your TV and plays games. No comparison to a laptop or anything.
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of course there is..... the xbox 1 is so close to a pc it is hard to separate them imo. its running a slimmed down version of windows 10 for goodness sake. IF MS wanted to they could release office for xbox and it would run just as well as on the average laptop.

all xbox1 is imo is a PC which has all the non game guff pulled from it and streamlined to play games and other home entertainment content......

i would counter your statement with a question, how is the xbox1 NOT a PC?

(PS you summed my pc up perfectly... it IS a brick which sits under my tv to play games (and watch movies). i use a separate machine for any work stuff.
 
So basically I thought it was worth a look to see just how much can you build a PC for, that could do all the same things that a console could do, including the 4k Blu-ray player. I was quite surprised by the resulting price.


Ok so there are a few things wrong this, firstly no operating system, well a Windows COA product key can be purchased from many places from as little as a couple of quid, this allows you to download a genuine registered OEM Windows 10, so that takes care of that.
Secondly, this pc isn't going to be as good at games as the Xbox one X is, fair enough, there are certain compromise's that I've made to keep the price down. But wait a few weeks and AMD might even have something better CPU wise, for not a lot more that could be worth it.
Also you could go with a much cheaper PSU, but personally I wouldn't.
So compromise's aside, this is a fully fledged PC, you can plug it into your TV just as you would the Xbox one X and of course as we know there are compromise's with the Xbox one X as well, try typing out and nice long page of text on one for example.

Overall I was quite surprised that the price difference isn't a large as people make out.​
 
ubersonic said:
I don't mean to be rude here (it's going to sound rude as there's no other way to phrase it, but I honestly don't intend to cause offence) you should read the whole post before replying to a tiny part of it out of context.

I didn't say that most PC games are console ports these days, I said almost all are designed with the console mentality, including ones that don't even come out on consoles.
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Yes i got that, hence the rest of my post. You just did exactly what you accuse me of. I actually responded to basically all of your points regarding PC games being developed with loot boxes, DLC and high prices.
 
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bru said:
So basically I thought it was worth a look to see just how much can you build a PC for, that could do all the same things that a console could do, including the 4k Blu-ray player. I was quite surprised by the resulting price.

Ok so there are a few things wrong this, firstly no operating system, well a Windows COA product key can be purchased from many places from as little as a couple of quid, this allows you to download a genuine registered OEM Windows 10, so that takes care of that.
Secondly, this pc isn't going to be as good at games as the Xbox one X is, fair enough, there are certain compromise's that I've made to keep the price down. But wait a few weeks and AMD might even have something better CPU wise, for not a lot more that could be worth it.
Also you could go with a much cheaper PSU, but personally I wouldn't.
So compromise's aside, this is a fully fledged PC, you can plug it into your TV just as you would the Xbox one X and of course as we know there are compromise's with the Xbox one X as well, try typing out and nice long page of text on one for example.

Overall I was quite surprised that the price difference isn't a large as people make out.​
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Well firstly, the Xbox One X has a compute rate of 6 Teraflops

The CPU/integrated GPU you have specced has a mere 1.12 Teraflops - Just the small matter of the X being 435% faster then...

Also the Xbox One X has 12GB GDDR5
 
willhub said:
A console isn't a PC and will never be, it's a brick that sits under your TV and plays games. No comparison to a laptop or anything.
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The consoles are 100% PC's and pretty decent one's too. The Xbox one X supports Freesync and will be running games at 2560x1440 along with possible mouse and keyboard support.
 
VincentHanna said:
Well firstly, the Xbox One X has a compute rate of 6 Teraflops

The CPU/integrated GPU you have specced has a mere 1.12 Teraflops - Just the small matter of the X being 435% faster then...

Also the Xbox One X has 12GB GDDR5
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As I said there are a few compromise's and CPU performance is certainly one of them, but then this can do things the console cannot as well, for example it comes with a Blu-ray writer and a keyboard and mouse and that is without even talking about upgradeability.

The whole thread argument seems to be, well if you compromise the graphic's quality the console can be just as effective as a PC only much cheaper, I just wanted to show that, if you can use that argument then so can the PC master race, the above PC will play games with reduced settings just fine, as well as all the benefits that come with a PC over a console.:)
 
andybird123 said:
Yes i got that, hence the rest of my post. You just did exactly what you accuse me of. I actually responded to basically all of your points regarding PC games being developed with loot boxes, DLC and high prices.
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Ahh sorry, you edited the post while I was replying and I didn't look at it again after, my bad.
 
Rock_n_Roll said:
The Xbox is absolutely redundant for a PC gamer imo.

Personally, i would've waited and played what i already have at a lower resolution and far superior frame rates.

Xbox One X isn't exactly cheap, plus if you haven't already bought into the MS ecosystem, then you need to buy games too and an XBL sub if you play online. Adding it all up, you're probably not far off a next gen Ti/high end card in terms of price.

Oh, and you'll be playing games at a cinematic 24 fps. :p:D

Anyway, regardless of the above. Enjoy.
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This plus the fact its a much smaller games library.
 
VincentHanna said:
It's clearly a rectangle...4:3 is square.
Unknown, but if they follow Microsofts lead then they should do.
Microsoft have been working very hard on making a huge amount of Xbox 360 games not only backwards compatible, but has got them running at native 4k:
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Hopefully they will but I think that a big part of why Microsoft went down that route was due to how badly they were losing console market share to the Playstation 4.

bigmike20vt said:
i suspect that yes they will... but we cant be certain.
The PS3 was a completely bizarre piece of hardware, expensive to make, a pig for devs to get the most out of it and therefore hard to emulate (and because of the expense sony were not going to throw in a ps3 chip in with the ps4)
however the ps4 is to all intents and purposes a pc. .... therefore it is not outrageous to expect the next ps......5 or what ever will not just be a stronger version of the ps4/pro and so older games i reckon will work.
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While the capability to simply support older games is there I wonder whether the opportunity to resell older games for the newer Playstation will have an effect on it.
 
bru said:
As I said there are a few compromise's and CPU performance is certainly one of them, but then this can do things the console cannot as well, for example it comes with a Blu-ray writer and a keyboard and mouse and that is without even talking about upgradeability.

The whole thread argument seems to be, well if you compromise the graphic's quality the console can be just as effective as a PC only much cheaper, I just wanted to show that, if you can use that argument then so can the PC master race, the above PC will play games with reduced settings just fine, as well as all the benefits that come with a PC over a console.:)
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Then once the new Xbox comes out (the Xbox 2 or whatever it will be called) instead of buying in to that system for circa £400 you could upgrade that system with a £400 graphics card and still play all the games that you accumulated so far with instant graphical upgrades, then you can post in a graphics card thread in the future and get shut down by console owners complaining that you have to much money, I believe it's called the vicious circle.
 
andybird123 said:
Your comparisons are completely ridiculous to those of us that are PC gamers because a console can't do what my PC can do, so it simply doesn't interest me. You like to play console games and that is great for you, I'm really happy that you've decided you don't want to own a gaming PC because a console does what you want it to at a price you are happy to pay. I'm not really impressed by the strutting about like its the only possible option for everyone, when sales figures completely destroy that as a concept. I'd much rather, on the PC GPU section of a PC forum, discuss new technology and new products with people of a similar interest.

I would much prefer it if GPU's were cheaper. The only thing I can recommend if the current prices are too high is to jump in on release day when prices were actually cheaper, which is what I did. But then based on your "Consoles are £350" rhetoric, you were never going to buy a £600+ GPU anyway, so you'd really rather no one had the option either. Its bizarre. All the data points in the opposite direction to your personal opinion.

If you went in to the OCUK shop and stood behind every customer that came in to ask about a GPU and shouted "consoles are cheaper and do the same thing" they'd chuck you out.
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Well, almost none of what you said bears any resemblance to the reality of what people are actually posting in this thread, myself included. So I will just ignore it. Your arguments are comically weak anyhow, as are the conclusions you draw (esp about me and what I "want"). For instance, I really don't need to tell you that a £20 gaming device doesn't play multi-plat games; a PS4 and a PC plays the same games, mostly.

Lol at "I speak for PC gamers" as well. You don't. Not even close. The number of PC gamers with £600+ GPUs is probably less than 5%. You speak for yourself and a handful of others here.

Look, this is going to come as a big shock to you, so brace yourself. This isn't your forum, and you don't get to tell me or anyone else not to post here. Or what is acceptable to post here. OK, now breathe... You have two choices if you don't want any talk of APUs (or consoles) in the GPU section. Start your own forum, or convince the mods here that APU discussion in the GPU forum is off-topic. I very much doubt they'll agree, because APUs contain the same graphics tech as desktop GPUs. Moreover, APU-based consoles are playing the same multi-plat games you're playing on PC.

Lastly, nobody (including myself) tried to tell you (or anyone else) not to buy a gaming PC or an over-priced £600+ GPU. Why would I do that? Why would I care in the slightest if you want to buy a Titan V? Short answer is I really don't.

That doesn't mean we can't observe that - thanks exclusively to today's really rubbish GPU market - a console is worth consideration for many of us. And many have already taken their GPU upgrade funds and bought consoles instead. The OP is just one such example. You know, the guy who started the thread to tell us he was switching to a console because he wasn't paying 1080Ti prices... And as other people keep saying the same thing in other similar threads (that just won't go away), your "true PC gamers" seem to be a shrinking commodity.

P.S. I didn't start the console discussion in this thread :p I just joined in on it. Lol, I haven't even been encouraging people to buy a console either. I just argue the case for not buying an over-priced GPU.

That vendors are pushing prices for mainstream cards to the £400/£500+ mark is not sustainable. You can bury your head in the sand, say that "PC gaming is healthier now than ever" and the like. But the higher prices get, inevitably the more people question the merits of PC gaming. It's only natural. You seem to be arguing that any price is worth it so long as the PC is the superior platform. It really isn't. Objectively once prices of a single component reach £400/£500+ you're going to lose the interest of many potential customers.

So in conclusion a couple questions for you to ponder... Is this the "GPU forum" or the "£600+ GPU forum"? Was the topic of this thread about the OP switching to a console? Would it be appropriate to ban console discussion in this thread? Is it fair to condemn people for discussing consoles in this thread?
 
FoxEye said:
Well, almost none of what you said bears any resemblance to the reality of what people are actually posting in this thread, myself included. So I will just ignore it. Your arguments are comically weak anyhow, as are the conclusions you draw (esp about me and what I "want"). For instance, I really don't need to tell you that a £20 gaming device doesn't play multi-plat games; a PS4 and a PC plays the same games, mostly.

Lol at "I speak for PC gamers" as well. You don't. Not even close. The number of PC gamers with £600+ GPUs is probably less than 5%. You speak for yourself and a handful of others here.

Look, this is going to come as a big shock to you, so brace yourself. This isn't your forum, and you don't get to tell me or anyone else not to post here. Or what is acceptable to post here. OK, now breathe... You have two choices if you don't want any talk of APUs (or consoles) in the GPU section. Start your own forum, or convince the mods here that APU discussion in the GPU forum is off-topic. I very much doubt they'll agree, because APUs contain the same graphics tech as desktop GPUs. Moreover, APU-based consoles are playing the same multi-plat games you're playing on PC.

Lastly, nobody (including myself) tried to tell you (or anyone else) not to buy a gaming PC or an over-priced £600+ GPU. Why would I do that? Why would I care in the slightest if you want to buy a Titan V? Short answer is I really don't.

That doesn't mean we can't observe that - thanks exclusively to today's really rubbish GPU market - a console is worth consideration for many of us. And many have already taken their GPU upgrade funds and bought consoles instead. The OP is just one such example. You know, the guy who started the thread to tell us he was switching to a console because he wasn't paying 1080Ti prices... And as other people keep saying the same thing in other similar threads (that just won't go away), your "true PC gamers" seem to be a shrinking commodity.

P.S. I didn't start the console discussion in this thread :p I just joined in on it. Lol, I haven't even been encouraging people to buy a console either. I just argue the case for not buying an over-priced GPU.

That vendors are pushing prices for mainstream cards to the £400/£500+ mark is not sustainable. You can bury your head in the sand, say that "PC gaming is healthier now than ever" and the like. But the higher prices get, inevitably the more people question the merits of PC gaming. It's only natural. You seem to be arguing that any price is worth it so long as the PC is the superior platform. It really isn't. Objectively once prices of a single component reach £400/£500+ you're going to lose the interest of many potential customers.

So in conclusion a couple questions for you to ponder... Is this the "GPU forum" or the "£600+ GPU forum"? Was the topic of this thread about the OP switching to a console? Would it be appropriate to ban console discussion in this thread? Is it fair to condemn people for discussing consoles in this thread?
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That was an extremely articulate beat down. You sir are to be congratulated, but I fear you may get a strike like I did for upsetting the heavily entrenched tards here with "overly aggressive" posts LOL
 
FoxEye said:
Well, almost none of what you said bears any resemblance to the reality of what people are actually posting in this thread, myself included. So I will just ignore it.
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it is very difficult to have any kind of discussion with someone who completely ignores what someone actually said in order to just create strawman arguments to make themselves feel better

Your arguments are comically weak. For instance, I really don't need to tell you that a £20 gaming device doesn't play multi-plat games; a PS4 and a PC plays the same games, mostly.
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No, see, I was doing comedy, it was a joke. I was highlighting to you the comedy of your own points from my perspective, obviously a £20 vtech game thing isn't going to play the same games as a PS4, I didn't think this was such a clever joke that you would completely fail to get it so hard, but here we are. The point of the joke (and I realise if you have to explain it it stops being funny) was that from my perspective, comparing a PS4 to a PC is just as comical as comparing a vtech £20 jobber to a PS4. I may have said this already (a few dozen times) but I don't play console games on my PC, if people do do that then I concede that a console may be a better choice for them. I play PC games with PC peripherals, so console vs. PC isn't a comparison to me.

Lol at "I speak for PC gamers" as well. You don't. Not even close. The number of PC gamers with £600+ GPUs is probably less than 5%. You speak for yourself and a handful of others here.
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I never said I did - the sentence you are apparently trying to draw this conclusion from actually says that I consider myself a PC gamer [exclusively] (as opposed to a console gamer or a PC/console gamer) and that as someone who identifies as exclusively a PC gamer >>I<< have no interest in consoles or console games.

Look, this is going to come as a big shock to you, so brace yourself. This isn't your forum, and you don't get to tell me or anyone else not to post here. Or what is acceptable to post here.
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No, true, but what I am trying to explain to you and a few others is that this is a PC forum. Looking at the posts of other people here I see more people identifying themselves as PC gamers (exclusively) than console gamers, so I am just pointing out why you might be getting a lot of resistance to your view point.

Moreover, APU-based consoles are playing the same multi-plat games you're playing on PC.
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I disagree, moreover there is a console section on the forum for discussing console games. Yes moderation in this section generally has a very light touch, but that doesn't mean that certain people can't self censor from time to time.

Lastly, nobody (including myself) tried to tell you (or anyone else) not to buy a gaming PC or an over-priced £600+ GPU. Why would I do that? Why would I care in the slightest if you want to buy a Titan V? Short answer is I really don't.

That doesn't mean we can't observe that - thanks exclusively to today's really rubbish GPU market - a console is worth consideration for many of us. And many have already taken their GPU upgrade funds and bought consoles instead. The OP is just one such example. You know, the guy who started the thread to tell us he was switching to a console because he wasn't paying 1080Ti prices... And as other people keep saying the same thing in other similar threads (that just won't go away), your "true PC gamers" seem to be a shrinking commodity.

P.S. I didn't start the console discussion in this thread :p I just joined in on it. Lol, I haven't even been encouraging people to buy a console either. I just argue the case for not buying an over-priced GPU.

That vendors are pushing prices for mainstream cards to the £400/£500+ mark is not sustainable. You can bury your head in the sand, say that "PC gaming is healthier now than ever" and the like. But the higher prices get, inevitably the more people question the merits of PC gaming. It's only natural. You seem to be arguing that any price is worth it so long as the PC is the superior platform. It really isn't. Objectively once prices of a single component reach £400/£500+ you're going to lose the interest of many potential customers.

So in conclusion a couple questions for you to ponder... Is this the "GPU forum" or the "£600+ GPU forum"? Was the topic of this thread about the OP switching to a console? Would it be appropriate to ban console discussion in this thread? Is it fair to condemn people for discussing consoles in this thread?
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I don't know why you have such a massive chip on your shoulder over the money aspect. There are all sorts of mental gymnastics you can do to justify console over PC or vice versa, I am being inclusive of PC discussions at any price point as I've pointed out many times. You were the one who suddenly started comparing buying a GPU (any GPU) with being the purvey of people who also buy Yachts. Its nonsense. As I said already, you can buy a PC for less than a console and play free games, if you choose to. When people come on asking for assistance with that, we all chip in where we can. It isn't about the money, its about console discussion not really being appropriate in a PC section on a PC forum.

I gave examples of expensive hobbies in the £1-2-3k range from people on low to middle incomes. I also have a low to middle income household and spend most of my spare time and therefore a decent chunk of disposable cash on my PC. Your response was that "if you never eat anyone can afford a yacht" which I dismissed as an irrelevant joke, but you now seem to be quite serious that that is a valid comparison. Even if it was, I don't think it would be appropriate to go on to a yachting forum to tell them a dingy does the same thing for less money and not expect them to laugh me out of the building (forum).
A subura or evo (particularly 2nd hand) is not exactly top tier supercar territory, but again, I don't go on to car forums to say that a 20 year old fiesta for £500 "does the same thing" when clearly it doesn't. I don't neccesarily expect my posts to be moderated off, but I don't expect everyone to suddenly agree with me either. Obviously on a car forum I would expect there to be more people who like those cars than like whatever the cheaper alternative is. Equally you could buy a fiesta and turbo + supercharge it, it would cost more to do than buy a 2nd hand Evo, some people would prefer the fiesta, some the evo, i still wouldnt expect to go on an evo forum with a fiesta and expect everyone to pat me on the back, the cost is irrelevant if the forum/section in question is obviously going to have a much higher proportion of people interested in one thing and not the other.

Sales figures and industry analysts are saying that although yes miners are buying some cards, there has also been an upsurge in gamers buying cards. You see one person say they've switched to console and that "proves" the opposite of what the whole industry is saying. I think thats called confirmation bias.

I've also said repeatedly that I wouldnt buy an about to go EOL new GPU at the current prices either, I'd probably get a 2nd hand one if i needed to buy now. But I wouldnt throw a hissy fit trying to convince everyone its the end of PC gaming.

The OP signed up 2006 and has 168 posts, he's hardly what you'd call an active member of the community is he. His previous thread in Jan was that it was his wife who was the gamer (and a streamer) and he ended up buying an 8700k system with a r390 to tide them over till the new nvidia cards came out... so having spent all that money he has now ditched that and bought a console, not his wife, who was the game streamer? Something doesnt quite add up. Buying a console hasnt really saved him any money if he'd already bought an 8700k system/mobo/ram and already had a 390 (but wanted to switch to nvidia)and gave his wife a 980ti. He's actually been impatient and splurged extra money on a console, and if the rest of what he said was true he will probably end up buying a new gen nvidia card anyway as he now hates AMD (but bought an AMD powered console - yeah stick it to them by buying their other stuff instead).
 
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I will be very interested in the Xbox 1 X if this mouse and keyboard support works well. Hopefully bring cross platform gaming into play :)

Imagine players of Xbox and PC (maybe PS4/5 soon too) playing on the same teams online in RTS and FPS. Can't wait to see console gamers cry when they are terrible in games such as Starcraft and proper FPS online games like Arma and Squad
 
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