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robgmun said:
It's easily verifiable, so I wouldn't believe she'd be lying about it if she knows she'll be found out
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I don't think it's her claiming it. From Daily Mail:

And one friend of the family wrote on Facebook last night that his relatives, including his mother Maxine, had begged for mental health support for Davison, adding: 'The NHS basically said they are short staffed and that was it. The family even asked the police to come out to see him as he was talking acting and acting strange - they didn't do a welfare check. And now six people are dead'.
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'a friend of the family', writing on Facebook.

So it could be absolutely anybody and they could be anywhere from closely involved in family affairs to having absolutely no idea at all for all we know.

TBH, it sounds like his mother was the first victim (Daily Mail list as a 51 year old woman who he had a 'familial relationship' with), so I suspect she's not personally 'claiming' anything.
 
Relatives asking for mental health support and not getting it is so very, very run of the mill that it doesn't seem like a particularly extraordinary claim.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Not been released yet, however from what I have read the first victim (in the house he kicked the door down) was a young mother 'known to him'
(A girl he was rejected by possibly?)
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51 year old women, family member according to police, so pretty safe to say it was his mum that he killed first, then just random strangers after that.
 
Screeeech said:
Interestingly, it looks like he was a licensed firearms holder

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-58197414

I wonder if we'll see any changes to firearm ownership rules, in the wake of this.
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I highly doubt it. Shotguns are a lot more common than people think because most even keep legal guns quiet due to the stigma and risk of theft.

To many a gun is a tool of the trade for gamekeepers, hunters, pest control etc.
 
dLockers said:
It is genuinely deeply frightening reading the latest Telegraph article (of mostly copy paste quotes). A lot of what he describes as himself is seen very much at the top of the surface 'on the internet' and even this very forum.

"According to one article online, blackpillers believe that no amount of working out (gymmaxxing), earning money (betabuxxing), or sexual strategy (running game) will ever lead to a relationship. They believe there is nothing left to do but to commit suicide (rope) or lay down and rot (LDAR)."

Seems he was an incel who blamed the world for his issues.
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I mean maybe men need to do more to look after each other so these types of people aren't left alone, women tend to have a lot of support but quite obviously men don't have the same networks. There's plenty of men like this guy who simply committed suicide rather than going the extreme route he went.

Quite obviously there are some very toxic parts of the internet where people spend too much time and get indoctrinated into silly ideas, similar I'm sure to how terrorists are groomed though possibly less deliberately malicious - I doubt anyone told this guy to go shoot a load of people.
 
Roar87 said:
I mean maybe men need to do more to look after each other so these types of people aren't left alone, women tend to have a lot of support but quite obviously men don't have the same networks. There's plenty of men like this guy who simply committed suicide rather than going the extreme route he went.
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I agree. Blokes are terrible at this. The problem is, and I sure we all have an idea of which member I mean that illustrates a very good example of this, a lot of them are self-proclaimed "helpless" and will refute any support network despite the good intentions we have.
 
Jokester said:
51 year old women, family member according to police, so pretty safe to say it was his mum that he killed first, then just random strangers after that.
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I stand corrected, only just found out about this horrific tragedy so am still wading through all the junk info.

If that's what the police have said then it does strongly suggest it was his mother!

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And one friend of the family wrote on Facebook last night that his relatives, including his mother Maxine, had begged for mental health support for Davison, adding: 'The NHS basically said they are short staffed and that was it. The family even asked the police to come out to see him as he was talking acting and acting strange - they didn't do a welfare check. And now six people are dead'.
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Utter, utter rubbish :cry::cry::cry:

Sure, just pass the buck to the NHS. The family didn't insist on intervention and that was it.

It'll all come out in the wash.
 
Dis86 said:
Not necessarily convenience but I don't believe red tape should be used to make something effectively unobtainable.
I do believe however that ownership needs to be highly controlled. As this whole thing clearly shows.
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Perhaps the main rifle/weapon stored at-home but a required component stored securely.

Would reduce the point of theft at either location.


Rifle at home bolt in a safe deposit box at the range
 
Lysander said:
Utter, utter rubbish :cry::cry::cry:

Sure, just pass the buck to the NHS. The family didn't insist on intervention and that was it.

It'll all come out in the wash.
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Have you ever tried getting someone mental health help?

It's hard at the best of time never mind covid.

Unless they're actively harming themselves it's a huge wait if they even have spaces.


He may have been "worrying" but if he didn't want to engage there isn't much that could be done.

As he wasn't up until this day over the threshold for forced care (whiney Internet comments are not enough for a sectioning)

I don't doubt any of the police members here will be able to say how hard it can be getting people care
 
200sols said:
Did she tell the police her son was mentally unstable and had a gun or didn't she?

TBH I'm surprised to see @C.R.A.Z.Y posting what is obviously Daily Mail spawn.
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Maybe that's exactly what she threatened to do and why he shot her as he may have felt his gun, his last bit of masculinity was about to be taken away?
 
Tefal said:
Have you ever tried getting someone mental health help?
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I've done it for myself many times, as I have written here in detail. I am also under care currently. I also know people who have done it for others. It's all about how honest and insistent you are.

Tefal said:
Unless they're actively harming themselves it's a huge wait if they even have spaces.
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Yes, it can be around 16 weeks. Signs of mental illnesses are there for years and years. People just have to sufficiently ignore them.
 
Lysander said:
I've done it for myself many times, as I have written here in detail. I am also under care currently. I also know people who have done it for others. It's all about how honest and insistent/consistent you are.



Yes, it can be around 16 weeks. Signs of mental illnesses are there for years. People just have to sufficiently ignore them.
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So you're willing to engage, what signs did this man h e that could be use to force care on him if he just said no?
 
200sols said:
Maybe. But he stated his mum 'begged' the police to help.
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Right but I could beg the police and the NHS to help you, what would you expect them to do?


If he didn't want help, you will need to find some peice of fairly strong evidence to force it on him.


Otherwise there just isn't anything they can do is there?


What sectionable act did he do before this?


Did he publicly threaten anyone?
Threaten to harm himself?
Haem himself?
Harm another?

Being a weirdo isn't enough to lock someone up.

Has there been any statement that he tried to get help or that he wanted it?
 
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