Siliconslave's how to make espresso thread

I don't see the point of Chemex et al., just don't understand how it's different to an ordinary drip machine. Well, I do, I know that pouring the water in manually might result in a better, more consistent brew if you know what you're doing, but considering how difficult and time-consuming it is to pour the water in as slowly and gradually as a good drip machine would, I think most of us WOULDN'T get a better brew than a machine would! The jugs do look nice, but I get the feeling you're paying much more for design than for functionality (I've seen several contraptions in offices, universities and cafeterias/messes which basically do the same thing: a big ugly cone-thing where you put the filter and the grounds, supported on an ugly trestle over an uglier stainless steel jug)

Re. Aeropress: still use mine almost every day, it's great for when I need a coffee to get me through the afternoon but don't have time to chill out with a french press! Not as good as my stove top (or real espresso of course), it tastes almost as good but the aroma isn't as intense. Slowly getting better at it though - thanks to whoever it was who posted a link to the World Aeropress Championships a few weeks ago, got a lot of good tips from there - learned to use the inverted method (didn't end up with scalding hot water and coffee grounds everywhere NOT ONCE!:)) and found out that pre-soaking the filter really does make a substantial difference. Some of the brewing methods I read online though really do go over the top and become massively convoluted, defeating the entire freaking point of the Aeropress, which to me is convenience! :p

On another note, I did in the end go for the Starbucks Barista grinder, I'll probably get a new toy in the £150-200 range as soon as I can also afford a decent (ie. £250+) espresso machine, as I can't justify it with the kit I'm using now. Still, seems like a nice little grinder, only tried it at the finest setting and it's fine enough for my purposes, and pretty even. (Loads of dust though, but I think it was because of the beans I was using, more on which in a second) When I can get bothered to doing the mod that Flibster suggested I'll be happy (until it conks out, when I'll be happier as it'll be an excuse to upgrade:D)

In fact, at the finest setting, it grinds substantially finer than my Zassenhaus hand grinder, which I was surprised by, as back when I originally bought the Zassenhaus it could grind things as fine as caster sugar! Thinking about it, it's obvious that the grind quality of the hand grinder has degraded over time due to my never cleaning it, and it's only on seeing the grind the Barista was producing that made me think back and notice that the hand grinder isn't performing up to speed anymore.

So, I want to get the gunk clogging its burrs out (I intend to keep using it for my french press, so I can leave the Barista at its finest setting - read on another forum that if you do the mod then it can no longer grind coarsely enough for french press, so the Zassenhaus is going to still be needed). I remember the people who recommended it to me suggested I grind some rice in it, but then someone in this thread said that rice makes the burrs rust - so what's the alternative?

This morning I had a pot of Steve's Brazil Fazenda Inglaterra Acaia Pulped, which was light and fruity and wonderful, and as soon as I had the first sip I thought "these would be the PERFECT beans for Turkish coffee!" Then I started stamping my feet and throwing a tantrum that I don't have a grinder that can do a Turkish grind. I'll probably be an idiot and try it at the Barista's finest setting at some point, but I know in advance it's probably not gonna work. Thinking of buying a Turkish mill off ebay.

As a small added bonus, I got a free bag of coffee from Starbucks when I bought the Barista. I picked a Sulawesi, cause I bought some from Steve a while ago and had remembered that it was a very dark roast. I thought that given Charbucks's tendency to overroast their beans, I thought the Sulawesi would've suffered less than other blends at their ungentle hands! :p

Still, I didn't expect anything special, and it was with a cyical scowl on my face that I took it home and opened it (only did so cause I had just ran out of the Old Brown Java I'd bought from Hasbean; the Fazenda didn't arrive until the next morning). But then the smell hit me, and my left eyebrow twitched upwards in surprise - pleasant surprise! As soon as it hit my nostril hairs my mouth started watering, and I knew these beans would make a great espresso! I made a french press out of it because I had guests, but I'm looking forward to trying it in the espresso machine! It still tasted a little burnt, but most of its flavour survived - it's a tremendously robust bean, having survived overroasting and sitting on a shelf (no doubt for months), and then still smelling and tasting great even though it was coarsely-ground and used in a french press, for which it's completely unsuited! If you want to stock up on coffee that will retain its flavour for years under adverse conditions, survive the nuclear holocaust/global warming disaster/flood/zombie pandemic/whatever, and turn you into a post-Apocalypse coffee baron, this is definitely it! :p
 
Bit by bit... ;)

I don't see the point of Chemex et al., just don't understand how it's different to an ordinary drip machine. Well, I do, I know that pouring the water in manually might result in a better, more consistent brew if you know what you're doing, but considering how difficult and time-consuming it is to pour the water in as slowly and gradually as a good drip machine would, I think most of us WOULDN'T get a better brew than a machine would! The jugs do look nice, but I get the feeling you're paying much more for design than for functionality (I've seen several contraptions in offices, universities and cafeterias/messes which basically do the same thing: a big ugly cone-thing where you put the filter and the grounds, supported on an ugly trestle over an uglier stainless steel jug)

The main difference with the Chemex is the filters. Instead of being flat bottomed like many they come to a point and are of a much thicker and finer material. Pretty much identical to the filters used in chemistry labs for filtration. Guess what the designer of the chemex did for a living? ;) He essentially made it from what was around the lab and he knew worked best for each process.

Pointed filters imo allow for a more even extraction of the coffee if you get a good bed of grounds.

I also find that filter machines supply the water at too high a temperature so the coffee gets burnt. The other plus with the chemex is it looks damn cool when you have people round. Same with the Vacpot.

Re. Aeropress: still use mine almost every day, it's great for when I need a coffee to get me through the afternoon but don't have time to chill out with a french press! Not as good as my stove top (or real espresso of course), it tastes almost as good but the aroma isn't as intense. Slowly getting better at it though - thanks to whoever it was who posted a link to the World Aeropress Championships a few weeks ago, got a lot of good tips from there - learned to use the inverted method (didn't end up with scalding hot water and coffee grounds everywhere NOT ONCE!:)) and found out that pre-soaking the filter really does make a substantial difference. Some of the brewing methods I read online though really do go over the top and become massively convoluted, defeating the entire freaking point of the Aeropress, which to me is convenience! :p

I think that was me who lined to the WAC2010 - Step away from the sodastream - that was NOT a good idea. ;)

It was surprising watching the WAC2010 - some of the methods with computer controlled stirring devices, soda streams, multiple kettles and water temperatures... The ones that won were the simple ones. Inverted method was also pretty popular. Allows a longer brew time without losing any of the water.

Always wet filters down before using them. One of the biggest improvements you can make. Removes the paper taste.

On another note, I did in the end go for the Starbucks Barista grinder, I'll probably get a new toy in the £150-200 range as soon as I can also afford a decent (ie. £250+) espresso machine, as I can't justify it with the kit I'm using now. Still, seems like a nice little grinder, only tried it at the finest setting and it's fine enough for my purposes, and pretty even. (Loads of dust though, but I think it was because of the beans I was using, more on which in a second) When I can get bothered to doing the mod that Flibster suggested I'll be happy (until it conks out, when I'll be happier as it'll be an excuse to upgrade:D)

Upgraditus strikes! :D
 
e Chemex is the filters. Instead of being flat bottomed like many they come to a point and are of a much thicker and finer material. Pretty much identical to the filters used in chemistry labs for filtration. Guess what the designer of the chemex did for a living? ;) He essentially made it from what was around the lab and he knew worked best for each process.

Pointed filters imo allow for a more even extraction of the coffee if you get a good bed of grounds.

I also find that filter machines supply the water at too high a temperature so the coffee gets burnt. The other plus with the chemex is it looks damn cool when you have people round. Same with the Vacpot.
Yes, it's a striking piece of design, undoubtedly, and I'm sure you're right about the perfectly-conical filters. But I've tasted some pretty good coffee out of a normal drip machine (as long as I drank it immediately after brewing - amazing how quickly a hotplate can ruin a brew, and how few manufacturers put insulating jugs instead of a hotplate on their machines!), so unless someone makes me a cup o'Chemex so good that it makes my hair stands on end I won't be convinced that the tste difference is enough to fully account for the cost - though if you mainly want a nice-looking jug that also makes great coffee that's different and I get it - looks is the main reason why I'm tempted to buy a vacpot after all! :)

I assume Chemex sell filters of different sizes for use in their different-sized jugs? Cause I reckon it wouldn't be hard to fit one in a normal drip machine with a bit of homemade fiddling and a couple of paperclips, depending on the machine! :p


I think that was me who lined to the WAC2010 - Step away from the sodastream - that was NOT a good idea. ;)

It was surprising watching the WAC2010 - some of the methods with computer controlled stirring devices, soda streams, multiple kettles and water temperatures... The ones that won were the simple ones. Inverted method was also pretty popular. Allows a longer brew time without losing any of the water.
Sodastream? I think I totally missed that one! :eek: I saw several other videos from the championship on youtube but not that, care to link me?

Always wet filters down before using them. One of the biggest improvements you can make. Removes the paper taste.
Absolutely, it really made a difference. Currently it varies but I get best results for my beans and grind (just slightly coarser than the finest my Zassenhaus could do - which is about stove-top grind for most people) using two filters soaked in cold water. Next thing I'll try is to rinse it with boiling water instead of cold. I don't think I'll bother doing an empty pull with boiling water as some recipes suggest because I wash the Aeropress with warm water before using it anyway.

Upgraditus strikes! :D
Oh, I've had it since I was 4 and stealing my grandmother's Turkish coffee by dipping a piece of bread into her cup when she wasn't looking (she wasn't happy!:p) I soon upgraded to cookies, and from there to my own cup! :D It just occasionally goes into remission for 2-3 years, before the next devastating and expensive relapse...
 
I assume Chemex sell filters of different sizes for use in their different-sized jugs? Cause I reckon it wouldn't be hard to fit one in a normal drip machine with a bit of homemade fiddling and a couple of paperclips, depending on the machine! :p

They do 2 different sizes. Small and large. Small for the 1-3 cup and large for all others.

They do a couple of different types too, but they're pretty much the same thing just prefolded and unfolded

Sodastream? I think I totally missed that one! :eek: I saw several other videos from the championship on youtube but not that, care to link me?

Hasbean's Steve Leighton @ WAC2010 - pretty poor video, but thats my old camera.


I tasted the final brew and I can certainly say that it was an entertaining performance. :D
 
I've seen that before, didn't realize he was using a soda stream... you're talking about the little hose blowing gas into the kettle about 4'20" in right? I thought that was simply water that had just finished boiling when I first saw that. What the H is it for? :confused: He seems to have already added the water to the Aeropress, so what's he using the bubbly water for? Just watering the coffee down with carbonated water?

Used the Barista a couple more times this afternoon, and have a couple of gripes. Firstly, the grounds tend to clump together in little balls. What's causing this? is there any remedy other than just breaking them up with my fingers? Secondly, when I touch them (to break up the lumps), they feel a bit warm. The most I've ever ground today was just enough for my 6-cup stove-top, so I don't think it's acceptable for the burrs to be getting hot enough to heat up the beans from grinding that small a quantity! Do people find the same with their grinders?
 
I've seen that before, didn't realize he was using a soda stream... you're talking about the little hose blowing gas into the kettle about 4'20" in right? I thought that was simply water that had just finished boiling when I first saw that. What the H is it for? :confused: He seems to have already added the water to the Aeropress, so what's he using the bubbly water for? Just watering the coffee down with carbonated water?

When he bends down behind the counter with warm water in the sodastream bottle thats when he's 'getting busy with the fizzy' I tried to show what was going on but it was pretty tough.

What you thought was a hose is the temperature sensor going from the water in the Hario Buono to the multimeters temperature sensor port.

He made the coffee in aeropresses and then added the carbonated water into it afterwards. Warm fizzy coffee...

Used the Barista a couple more times this afternoon, and have a couple of gripes. Firstly, the grounds tend to clump together in little balls. What's causing this? is there any remedy other than just breaking them up with my fingers? Secondly, when I touch them (to break up the lumps), they feel a bit warm. The most I've ever ground today was just enough for my 6-cup stove-top, so I don't think it's acceptable for the burrs to be getting hot enough to heat up the beans from grinding that small a quantity! Do people find the same with their grinders?

It's got quite small burrs and a lot of plastic. The small burs means it has to turn at a faster rate which generates the heat. That and the plastic means that there's quite a large amount of static being generated. My old grinder used to do that so I collected the grounds in a glass with a piece of tinfoil collected to the metal chassis of the grinder. Cut it down quite a lot. Or you could just use a large needle to swizzle in the grounds to break them up.
 
He made the coffee in aeropresses and then added the carbonated water into it afterwards. Warm fizzy coffee...
Bizarre! I have a strange urge to taste it, even though I know I wouldn't like it...
I don't like watering down Aeropress coffee personally, I view it as a quick&dirty substitute for espresso, if I wanted a weak long coffee then it's just as easy to use a french press.
It's got quite small burrs and a lot of plastic. The small burs means it has to turn at a faster rate which generates the heat. That and the plastic means that there's quite a large amount of static being generated. My old grinder used to do that so I collected the grounds in a glass with a piece of tinfoil collected to the metal chassis of the grinder. Cut it down quite a lot. Or you could just use a large needle to swizzle in the grounds to break them up.

I suppose so, it's a small home grinder that doesn't take up much space on your counter, and I guess that's what I wanted in the final analysis...
 
Just a quick heads up. Was out and about this afternoon in Ruislip at a local event and stumbled across a tent selling what they described as a coffee "smoother than a tiger in a tuxedo and more luxurious than a cashmere codpiece". I'm not sure if I'd go that far, but it was certainly very tasty! I had an espresso and my partner had a latte, both worked very well. I ended up walking away with a kilo of beans, want to try them in Aeropress soon!

And the name? Azorieblue.

Anybody tried this before? Any thoughts? :)
 
Got some Turkish coffee at the week end and ground to Turkish blend. OMG I thought life was going so fast compared to the grinder. I must have been there 20 minutes whilst they ground 500g.

Old woman and man that had the shop were about to kill each other. They were arguing like cat and dog She looked like she was going to flip and hit him with a coffee pot LOL
 
Have any of you chaps considered starting a coffee house/Shop?
I was sitting pondering this the other day.

The nearest place we have is a costa coffee which isnt exactly the route i want.

I like the idea of having a range of coffees like has bean do. a form of specialised shop selling some of the most tasty coffees and such. obviously would need to cater for other people with like different tea's and such (deffo no Fizzy carp) Also roast and grind my own stuff Fresh. Cool looking equipment that would get peoples attention.

I like the idea of people coming in to meet with friends chatting over a coffee or reading their papers and just simply relaxing whilst having the best coffee and experience.

but then when I think about it. This area is a dump! town centre is full of fools and chavs. If i went to the likes of Edinburgh it would never work as there's plenty places to go.

Is it a good idea?

basic idea:
Comfy seats
Relaxing atmosphere with relaxing music
Amazing drinks and service.
 
Interesting article about the history of the Espresso in New Zealand and Australia and possibly a reason why, in London at least, you were more likely to find a good coffee from a New Zealand/Australian run establishment than an English one... The article is targeted against the American market but you get the idea of the development of the NZ/Aus markets.

Makes for an interesting read. I must point out tho that of late my prowls around the London Coffee scene have recently been producing better and better results. Positively stoked on that front as a good Cafe scene makes all the difference to a city IMO.

http://coffeegeek.com/opinions/georgesabados/06-12-2007
 
Have any of you chaps considered starting a coffee house/Shop?

Is it a good idea?
It's something I'd love to do. Living in South London, there are loads of chain coffee shops and not many really good independent ones. The problem is (apart from getting the money) finding somewhere with good foot traffic and not a lot of competition.
 
It's something I'd love to do. Living in South London, there are loads of chain coffee shops and not many really good independent ones. The problem is (apart from getting the money) finding somewhere with good foot traffic and not a lot of competition.

Why start a shop - why not make Coffee carts... I'm not sure what the bylaws are like for parking coffee carts on pedestrian areas but if it's all about coffee...
 
Just a quick question before i head out ...

I'm going to buy a new grinder today, budget is in the 50/60 mark - im looking at the Krups @ £50 or the Cuisinart @ £60 in John Lewis, are there better buys for the money (or a bit more if bettter) that i can pick up in Norwich ?
 
Have any of you chaps considered starting a coffee house/Shop?

Slowly working on it. ;)

Just a quick question before i head out ...

I'm going to buy a new grinder today, budget is in the 50/60 mark - im looking at the Krups @ £50 or the Cuisinart @ £60 in John Lewis, are there better buys for the money (or a bit more if bettter) that i can pick up in Norwich ?

My recommendation would be the Starbucks Barista - don't know how much it is now though.
 
What puts me off is this area is just so dire. St Andrews would be my best bet but then people would see Steal-my-bucks (starbucks) or costa-crappy and would more than likely just go there.

I have two or three ideas for businesses but to scared to put money into them and make a hash of them and fail miserably.
 
in Richmond we have Taylor street baristas run from the corner of a deli - they do a fair amount of trade but despite them being 100x better than the Costa next door, undercutting the prices a fare amount and having a loyalty scheme that gives the 5th coffee free they just don't get the same amount of trade :(

They even have a big board out the front with a quote from TimeOut declaring them as the best coffee in west London :(

Having said that they have more than enough people coming through to keep themselfs going... there is a place for decent coffee along side highstreet chains i'd say - you just need to make yourself more attractive in certain areas.
 
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My recommendation would be the Starbucks Barista - don't know how much it is now though.

They do not sell it anymore, it had a recall apparently.

In the end i went for the Krups one, i figured at this level i may well be upgrading at some point so go for bottom end of burr grinders - had a play and so far so good, just got to try the settings to get it right !
 
They do not sell it anymore, it had a recall apparently.

In the end i went for the Krups one, i figured at this level i may well be upgrading at some point so go for bottom end of burr grinders - had a play and so far so good, just got to try the settings to get it right !

IIRC only the blade grinders were recalled. Due to them being able to start unexpectedly and slice fingers. :D

There may be a mod available for the krups grinder, it depends on the model, to make it more consistant.
 
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