Siliconslave's how to make espresso thread

OK guys I have a question - can anyone recomend a £100 grinder that will happily adjust from cafeteria all the way down to espresso?

My faithful recommendation of a Iberital MC2 isn't going to cut it for this kind of application unfortunately :(

You could just keep using your current grinder for espresso and get a hand-powered Zassenhaus for your filter. I used to use it to grind everything from filter to espresso, and for finer grinds it took AGES, but for coarse grinds it'll take you no more than a minute. £50ish new, or check out some older (and, if I'm honest, better) models on ebay for 30-45£
 
London Coffee Festival is now on!

And it's.... eeeeh...

Went to the opening tonight, and it would have been much better if all the people on the stands that were there during the press day, remained there once the PAYING PUBLIC were let in!

Yup, 5pm came around and several stands closed up and went home. Thats taking the widdle.

Highlights for me:
Union Hand Roasted were great - Jeremy is a top chap.

Thecoffeemachine.com have some real interesting coffees from roasteries in Sweden *I may have picked a couple up - don't ask me what they are, I don't read Bork bork bork ;)*

They also have a new home espresso machine that looks pretty impressive - £600 and is a dual boiler machine thats not really bigger than the Rancillio Silvia - and it's made in the UK - the Fracino Piccino.

La Marzocco were there with a GS3 that produced cold beer... that confused me for a moment. They do have a really subtle modified machine though with big exhausts, lots of chrome and Harley Davidson handlebars - and I want it. :D

I was actually surprised by the Starbucks Reserve filter coffee - it's not amazingly good, but was really quite drinkable. Shame there's only 10 Starbucks Reserve stores in the UK. It's nice to see them getting into this though.
 
I figure this is the thread to ask, as there's plenty of knowledge. Please bear with the history, and excuse all of the 'mistakes' I've made:

Up until a few years ago, I was mostly a tea drinker with the occasional 'instant' coffee (and I always preferred white wine over red). Then, my tastes seemed to change and I started preferring coffee over tea (and red wine over white).

However, until recently I didn't realise that I'd never actually had 'decent' coffee - I'm still not sure I have, but I'm realising a lot more than I ever new, mostly thanks to this thread and the investigations it has triggered.

My current 'experience' is French Press at the parents - generally Machu Picchu hailed as being the best thing ever and brewed for between 5 and 10 minutes :eek: - with a poor attempt by myself, a couple of moka pot attempts (badly burnt I suspect) and more recently borrowing a Nespresso machine from a friend. I've obviously consumed some Starbucks coffees at times, and had some filter 'drip' at work (which has seriously awful quality water).

I realise I'm not doing this right, and I'm determined to set the record straight, but I'm not sure where to go next...

I'm definitely going to get some fresh ground from hasbean (with the intention of moving on to beans and hand-grinding them in a few months) and I think I want to start with the 'filter' style - I like French Press the most from everything I've had, but don't like the 'mud'.

With that in mind, I was considering a Clever Coffee Dripper, or a Chemex - the CCD seems to be perfect but there seems much less talk about it than the Chemex.

I dislike the 'espresso' that the Nespresso gives out - it tasted pretty 'wooly' (I'm terrible with describing tastes) and so I don't know whether I like espresso or not - if anyone can recommend anywhere that can pull a decent shot in Plymouth I'll try that - and my normal drink is a 'mug', either black or with soya milk (which goes very odd in instant, so not often used at the moment)...

I'd happily go for a decent espresso machine if I like 'the real thing' and/or people think a double-shot long-black is a better option than a chemex/etc brew overall, but I need to be sure what I actually enjoy most.

I'll probably be ordering some Jailbreak from hasbean to try in the French Press, and am looking to get a more 'clean' brew as soon as possible, but all help and suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks.

(I'd planned to post this on the hasbean forum, and may still do if anyone thinks it will help)
 
I have both an aeropress and a chemex and have tried a variety of different beans so can only offer an opinion on those two.

The aeropress is great if you want a quick handy mug of coffee. It is very simple to use, more or less mess free and produces a decent mug of coffee. It produces what I describe as a 'thicker' brew than the chemex and doesn't extract the flavours as well as the chemex. It does produce a very smooth and rounded cup though.

The chemex is great if you want to brew a few mugs at a time. It produces a less dense brew than the aeropress but extracts the flavours incredibly well. I got proper hints of flavours described on the hasbean bags as opposed to the aeropress.

Both are great bits of kit. I prefer the chemex but it takes longer to brew with that.

In terms of beans, grab some of the machacamarca beans- just amazingly good coffee!!
 
I figure this is the thread to ask, as there's plenty of knowledge. Please bear with the history, and excuse all of the 'mistakes' I've made:

Up until a few years ago, I was mostly a tea drinker with the occasional 'instant' coffee (and I always preferred white wine over red). Then, my tastes seemed to change and I started preferring coffee over tea (and red wine over white).

However, until recently I didn't realise that I'd never actually had 'decent' coffee - I'm still not sure I have, but I'm realising a lot more than I ever new, mostly thanks to this thread and the investigations it has triggered.

Woohoo! Another one. :D Don't worry, we've all made mistakes. ;)

My current 'experience' is French Press at the parents - generally Machu Picchu hailed as being the best thing ever and brewed for between 5 and 10 minutes :eek: - with a poor attempt by myself, a couple of moka pot attempts (badly burnt I suspect) and more recently borrowing a Nespresso machine from a friend. I've obviously consumed some Starbucks coffees at times, and had some filter 'drip' at work (which has seriously awful quality water).

Ooooh, 5 minutes is too long. 10 minutes is WAY too long.

French press - 4 minutes is normal, and then decanting into something else to stop the brewing at that point.

I realise I'm not doing this right, and I'm determined to set the record straight, but I'm not sure where to go next...

Excellent. :D

I'm definitely going to get some fresh ground from hasbean (with the intention of moving on to beans and hand-grinding them in a few months) and I think I want to start with the 'filter' style - I like French Press the most from everything I've had, but don't like the 'mud'.

Filter coffee is one of the easiest methods. Depending on the filters used, normally there's no sludge, minimal oils and a cheap way in. It's also surprisingly cheap to get started with. £3 for a plastic filter cone, £2 for filters and £5 for a bag of coffee - thats about as cheap as you can get.

It does go up from there. I wouldn't recommend a plastic filter cone due to the way plastic can taint the coffee and it doesn't hold the heat too well. So £7ish for a ceramic filter cone instead. Still not ridiculously expensive.

I've said it before, but I think that french press is one of the hardest methods to get consistently right.

With that in mind, I was considering a Clever Coffee Dripper, or a Chemex - the CCD seems to be perfect but there seems much less talk about it than the Chemex.

Clever is a very interesting way to brew coffee, very much like french press, but without the sludge.

Chemex is a very clean method of brewing coffee, filters are really thick and take a lot of washing to get the paper taste out. But the coffee it can produce is superb.

I dislike the 'espresso' that the Nespresso gives out - it tasted pretty 'wooly' (I'm terrible with describing tastes) and so I don't know whether I like espresso or not - if anyone can recommend anywhere that can pull a decent shot in Plymouth I'll try that - and my normal drink is a 'mug', either black or with soya milk (which goes very odd in instant, so not often used at the moment)...

I'd happily go for a decent espresso machine if I like 'the real thing' and/or people think a double-shot long-black is a better option than a chemex/etc brew overall, but I need to be sure what I actually enjoy most.

Nespresso and the other types are very muted coffees - as the coffee is very stale.

Don't know of anywhere in Plymouth that does good espresso, so won't even give any recommendations. Try hasforum or coffee forums uk - someone will probably know somewhere nearby.

Oh, soya milk is just very odd full stop. Doesn't matter what it's in. ;)

Depends what people mean by a long black - if they just run the espresso for longer, then thats bad as it over extracts the coffee. It they are drawing some hot water first then adding the espresso to that, then thats better.

If you normally have a mug load - filter of some sort may well be better for you.

I'll probably be ordering some Jailbreak from hasbean to try in the French Press, and am looking to get a more 'clean' brew as soon as possible, but all help and suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks.

(I'd planned to post this on the hasbean forum, and may still do if anyone thinks it will help)

Go for it. It's a great place for questions.

Depending on what flavours you like in coffee depends on whats recommended. Jailbreak is a very good blend. Meant for espresso but I've found that it works really well in other methods too.

Check out www.brewmethods.com for various tutorials and methods.

Clean brew methods for me - Aeropress, chemex, filter cone, v60, clever dripper, syphon.
 
London Coffee Festival is now on!

And it's.... eeeeh...

I also went on Friday night and was very disappointed. If it was not for Starbucks (of all people!) it would have been a complete waste of time.

I got the feeling that it was marketed online as an event for coffee enthusiasts whilst being marketed to the exhibitors as an event for trade. This ended up feeling like 50% of the stands were not coffee at all but instead were for coffee shop "related" items. Cakes, mints, tea, juices, smoothies, yoghurts, olives (?), etc. Yes, I can imagine these being sold as "extras" in a coffee shop but not really what I was expecting as a coffee enthusiast. A number of other stalls were clearly there (but no surprise and no problems either, really) to cater for the visitors selling a range of food-stuffs (hog roast, wraps, etc). Take all of these away and there is not really a very large amount of coffee related stands (considering this is a coffee festival!). Take away the likes of Costa, Starbucks, etc (who coffee enthusiasts are likely to despise) and the options are even further reduced. There were a number of top coffee shops (especially with so many in that locality!) and roasters missing...

This was made worse by the venue being far too large for the number of stands and so feeling very sparse. I love what they tried to do (with the different zones) but I just do not feel as though it worked, there was not a significant enough difference between the zones and it actually managed to make the event (quite surprisingly!) felt very small.

I got my ticket for £6 (rather than £8.50) so was not expecting very much and I do feel that I got my monies worth so it's not all bad but unless I hear it'll be changed in the future I doubt I'll attend again (which would be a shame because I was really looking forward to it). The espresso martini (worth £5) almost paid for the entry fee alone, despite the fact I did not really enjoy it. The star of the show (from the point of view of giving value for money) was Starbucks. Offering free drinks (full size) and cakes I definitely got my monies worth. Had a double espresso when I entered (it was one of the first stands) and took an americano from the stand for the tube ride home. I'd ordinarily avoid Starbucks, with their being so many better options available, but in this situation their presence was appreciated.

Oh, finally, I wish the London Coffee Festival would stop with the email spam... I mean at least three emails on the launch day alone, with numerous messages on the days leading up, when I've already bought my ticket was annoying. Even now I'm continuing to get them, grr! (They may also be responsible for some random club night emails I've started getting but I cannot prove that so I'll give them the benefit for the doubt).

So this has been pretty negative feedback, but I'm hopeful they can do better next time. Their hearts were in the right place and clearly they hoped for big things (I noticed an old London Routemaster driving around Baker St today advertising the festival and giving out vouchers, etc)... But it just hasn't work out this time, as far as I was concerned.
 
Well spent the day in Lincoln visting a friend and popped into Coffee Aroma and have to say had a fabulous time there.

Had been once before, this was before I got the coffee bug so didn't really appreciate the coffee I had there. So today with my friend we tasted a couple of different beans with some interesting results.

the first cup I had was the Nicaragua Santa Guadalupe Pacamara. Now this was definately very fruity but the flavours were very muted but this was down to me having milk in the coffee.

my friend had the Kenya Ndimaini AA (black) so tried some of that and can definately say i could taste the blackcurrent flavour as well as a general fruity flavour but the blackcurrent just came through which was glorious. Now to my credit this is the first time I have tried a cup of coffee black since my early days of drinking coffee as I always found it too bitter hence the addition of milk to my coffee and I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of having this black.

So to round of the session we tried some of the Cuba Serrano Superior and again i thought I would try this black rather than add milk and have to say i thoroughly enjoyed it.

Without knowing the cup profile I could instantly taste a subtle nutty flavour and also a variety of spicey flavours which were delightful. As an experience it was truely an eye opener and throughout this entire experience it was the second time I had had a chemex brewed coffee. Obviously being before it was chemex'd but didn't know how it was prepared.

So i think the french press will have to go back into the cupboard and I think a chemex will need to be brought as it seemed to bring the flavours alive to the varieties we tasted.

My friend suggested that when I next go over we have a longer session sampling some of the other flavours.

So I was wondering which chemex would be right for me. does the size of the chemex make much of a difference to the flavour at all. I know today we had a ten cup chemex but would a smaller chemex say 3 cup be better. It is generally just me that has it but I have been trying to convert some of the office over to proper coffee (although they do seem to have some fun at my expense. )

Also would i be better off getting filter papers of getting say the metal kone filter from hasbean for the chemex. I am assuming that this could interfere with the flavours.

I feel this little hobby of mine could get quite expensive quite quickly. :p

Again I would like to thank all the knowledgable people in here for helping me with my introduction into the world of coffee and I am definately here to stay. No more instant will be passing these lips now.

Just need to try and find a decent coffee place in the Derby area. If anyone has any recommendations that would be great.
 
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Quick ebay bargain notice for a Vacpot/Syphon. Do a search for item 380262940010

It's a 5 cup syphon, identical to the Hario TCA-5 *in fact has the TCA-5 markings on it - and works with official Hario parts too ;)* and it's £20! :D

Considering that official Hario TCA-5's are in the £75+ region, this is an utter bargain. I picked one up to replace the Hario TCA-5 I had that decided to break while on the draining board - I'm using the Hario lower pot and stand and the official Hario paper filter and adaptor with it without any problems.

I'd recommend ditching the alcohol burner and getting a proper little butane burner - much easier and faster. I'd love a halogen heater though...
 
Not really, thats close to the Cona style brewer. This is really like the Hario TCA-5 - as in I'm switching pieces between them without any problems. :)

Also very much like the Ocaree - which also seems to be the same as the Hario range.

I suspect that the factory making the Hario stuff is producing more and selling them off through other companies.
 
Quick ebay bargain notice for a Vacpot/Syphon. Do a search for item 380262940010

It's a 5 cup syphon, identical to the Hario TCA-5 *in fact has the TCA-5 markings on it - and works with official Hario parts too ;)* and it's £20! :D

Considering that official Hario TCA-5's are in the £75+ region, this is an utter bargain. I picked one up to replace the Hario TCA-5 I had that decided to break while on the draining board - I'm using the Hario lower pot and stand and the official Hario paper filter and adaptor with it without any problems.

I'd recommend ditching the alcohol burner and getting a proper little butane burner - much easier and faster. I'd love a halogen heater though...

Looks good. Can you give examples (links?) of a good-priced suitable butane burner and halogen heater? Not really sure what I'm after!

Thanks! :)
 
I think it would be something like this:
http://www.coffeehit.co.uk/PRD_Prod...rodid=1282&Product=Rekrow-Micro-Syphon-Burner

I've not been intending to buy a syphon burner but at £20, it's hard to resist!!

Thats the one to go for. It's so much better than the meths burner. Much cleaner too, doesn't leave soot on the bottom of the syphon. Doesn't smell of meths too. ;)

Thanks for the replies. Don't s'pose you've got any links to any auction bargains? Not sure I can justify £25 inc. on the syphon (great price!) and then £30 on the burner! Surely a cheaper option exists.

I'd hate to ask how much the halogen heaters are! :D
 
Thanks for the replies. Don't s'pose you've got any links to any auction bargains? Not sure I can justify £25 inc. on the syphon (great price!) and then £30 on the burner! Surely a cheaper option exists.

I'd hate to ask how much the halogen heaters are! :D

I think they're £300+ :D

I was thinking of just buying the syphon and using it with the included meths burner. If I find I'm enjoying the end product and using it enough to justify buying the butane burner, then I will.
 
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Have you had a chance to test the syphon out Flibster? Have you come across any issues with it at all yet?

No issues. Worked exactly as it's meant to.

Thanks for the replies. Don't s'pose you've got any links to any auction bargains? Not sure I can justify £25 inc. on the syphon (great price!) and then £30 on the burner! Surely a cheaper option exists.

I'd hate to ask how much the halogen heaters are! :D

I think they're £300+ :D

I was thinking of just buying the syphon and using it with the included meths burner. If I find I'm enjoying the end product and using it enough to justify buying the butane burner, then I will.

The meths burner is fine, just very slow. I'd recommend putting water straight from a boiling kettle into the lower bowl and then immediately putting the heater on it. It'll still take a few minutes to get the water into the top.

Strangely, mini butane burners aren't that easy to find. I do have a possibility at a reasonable price *about £20 delivered*, but I'm trying to find out the dimensions of it in comparison to the syphon. If they come back with a response that makes me happy, I'll order one and give it a go and compare it to one of the coffeehit ones - already got one of them.

Yes, the Halogen beam heaters are expensive. Last quote I heard was £400 :eek:
 
Thanks Flibster. I've just paid for the syphon. :)

The description states that it comes with a reusable filter but my little bit of research tells me that disposables are better. What would you recommend and also are there any other essentials that I would need to buy before I let myself loose on it?!!

Also you mention about putting boiling water into the lower bowl. Is the glass at room temperature strong enough to take this without cracking or do you need to preheat the glass first? I'm assuming it should be OK if it's designed to withstand the heat of a butane burner but just wanted to check with you first.
 
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The fabric filter is preferred by many people. I'm not one of them. For home use, the fabric is fine as you're not going to have to make many siphons rapidly after each other as you would in a retail environment, but I can just do without the hassle.

Must be kept wet, even when not in use *my fabric filters are stored in a ziploc bag, in filtered water, in the fridge*, the requirement to clean them after use, to thoroughly clean them you use oxyclean and boiling water - it's purely the fuss they need to work effectively.

The paper filters and adaptor cost £8-10 depending on where you get it from - the Hario one is the one I use. It comes with 50 paper filters so it's pretty reasonable. I picked mine up in London one day when I was doing a coffee day.

I pre-warm the lower bowl anyway just by running the hot tap into it a couple of times *it's a good habit to have no matter what the brew method* I then put in a little water from the kettle to rinse it out as hot tap water is not good. Need to ensure that it's dry on the outside before adding the flame onto it otherwise it can crack.

I also run a good litre of filtered water through the top section after putting the filter assembly in, just to get rid of the paper taste. This bit will be warmed when it's on the bottom bit so no need to warm it before hand.
 
Strangely, mini butane burners aren't that easy to find. I do have a possibility at a reasonable price *about £20 delivered*, but I'm trying to find out the dimensions of it in comparison to the syphon. If they come back with a response that makes me happy, I'll order one and give it a go and compare it to one of the coffeehit ones - already got one of them.

Please update us on how this works out :) At £20 delivered I'd probably give them both a punt (the burner and syphon). I'll hold out on the syphon til hear back (if it is even suitable for starters)... I know I could use the meths for a while but it'd be such a shame to dirty the syphon when shortly after I'd potentially be using the butane burner anyway! :)
 
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