Simply awesome

[TW]Fox · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:48

JRS said:
Now you're being slightly silly Fox. I don't think any of us that beat the drum for older cars have ever said "OMGZZZZ PAS AND BRAKE SERVOS ARE THE DEVILS WORK". Sure, I quite like driving cars without them, but I can also have fun in cars with them.

It appeared to be the main reason why some people are of the opinion that a 60bhp 1.2 Vauxhall Chevette would be really fun to drive, whereas a 231bhp 3.0 BMW 330Ci would be dull and boring.

Well, that and the fact it suited their anti BMW agenda, obviously.

Steve · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:48

agw_01 said:
It also has a chav spoiler

also my only quible

other than that me likes

olv · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:48

no one is saying it's a credible alternative. what i'm saying is that given some small, empty, twisty roads i would much rather through a shuv around then a bloated bmw

[TW]Fox · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:48

panthro said:
I wouldnt say the beauty of a 3 or 5 series (unless its an M) was worth making a thread about as I can see 3 from my window. They are great cars but I dont look twice at them. That may change once I own one, but for the time being they are not all that. The same goes for most of Penski's car choices.

It was intended simply as a rebuttal of penki's choices over the last few weeks, it wouldn't have been posted had it not been for them

panthro · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:49

[TW]Fox said:
It was intended simply as a rebuttal of penki's choices over the last few weeks, it wouldn't have been posted had it not been for them

I know how you feel.

L0rdMike · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:50

olv said:
no one is saying it's a credible alternative. what i'm saying is that given some small, empty, twisty roads i would much rather through a shuv around then a bloated bmw

Then you are crazy.

rare · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:51

You should have bought a Ford Cortina instead.

The truth is shocking. I actually agree with everything Fox has said in this thread

olv · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:52

L0rdMike said:
Then you are crazy.

how so?

NickXX · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:57

olv said:
no one is saying it's a credible alternative. what i'm saying is that given some small, empty, twisty roads i would much rather through a shuv around then a bloated bmw

Erm, which 3-series BMW's felt bloated to you?

JRS · 8 Jun 2006 at 21:58

[TW]Fox said:
It appeared to be the main reason why some people are of the opinion that a 60bhp 1.2 Vauxhall Chevette would be really fun to drive, whereas a 231bhp 3.0 BMW 330Ci would be dull and boring.

Well, that and the fact it suited their anti BMW agenda, obviously.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that my "anti BMW agenda" has no grounding or basis in logical fact. Very few of the cars that make it onto my wishlist are even remotely sensible (big American stuff, small Fiats, old British cars from a time when quality control was ever-so-slightly suspect).

Fact is though, I did find the supremely competent BMW 330 boring to drive even at speed yet I have to chisel the grin off my face everytime I come in from a cross-country thrash in the Seicento, a car that nearly every reviewer panned compared with it's rivals the Ka and Arosa which are two cars that I never want to have to get into ever again. If anyone can find an ounce of logic in that then I'd be very grateful.

[TW]Fox · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:02

You found it boring probably becuase you detest BMW's and WANTED to it to feel boring - never underestimate the power of the mind. I still dont know how you got yourself into a position were you were insured to drive a car you hated and had no interest in and then able to thrash it across country but never mind.

I was like that with the second Vectra I drove - I genuinelly hated it but how much of that was becuase it was a Vectra and I wanted to hate it I'll never know

olv · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:03

NickXX said:
Erm, which 3-series BMW's felt bloated to you?

it is my opinion that they are bloated. you cannot make a comfortable, safe cruiser without adding loads sound proofing, quality materials, electronics etc. all adds extra weight making the car, in my opinion, bloated.

NickXX · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:04

olv said:
it is my opinion that they are bloated. you cannot make a comfortable, safe cruiser without adding loads sound proofing, quality materials, electronics etc. all adds extra weight making the car, in my opinion, bloated.

Ok, to the point then. What BMWs have you driven, and what car do you drive?

mrgubby · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:04

Never ever "got" BMW's , just look like rep-mobiles to me :confused:

. Next door neighbour has a nice shiney M5 , it sounds nice & I like the alloys but doesn't do anything for me at all

Ps. I have a Vectra so I feel qualified to talk about rep-mobiles

Luseac · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:04

NickXX said:
As for pensions, I think the owner of a 1.2l Chevette is more likely to drawing one than the owner of a 530i tbh

Does Penski actually own one of these???

If so why the hell would you want one?

Nozzer · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:06

They're classics, or something.

[TW]Fox · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:06

lucasade1 said:
Does Penski actually own one of these???

Yes, that is indeed the car which is being said to be preferable to 3 litre BMW's in this very thread.

Good innit

I actually had a passenger ride in one 10 years ago. I was terrified. I guess it's the type of fun which would appeal to those who enjoy that falling lift ride at Disneyworld.

olv · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:08

[TW]Fox said:
I guess it's the type of fun which would appeal to those who enjoy that falling lift ride at Disneyworld.

i think you might be starting to understand

Ry@n · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:09

I think it looks smart, but not "awesome"

NickXX · 8 Jun 2006 at 22:09

lucasade1 said:
Does Penski actually own one of these???

If so why the hell would you want one?

Yup. It has a 1.2l, *maybe* 1.3l engine.

And maybe one of the 'fun' people could answer your second question, becuase tbh, I'm stumped.