Singapore Grand Prix 2011, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 14/19

dannyjo22 · 26 Sep 2011 at 23:44

It's not like Newey doesn't have a history of getting it right with rule changes. He normally nails it.

He did a good job with reg changes while at williams. Did a superb job with the mclarens with 98 reg changes. Did well in 09 and superbly in 2010.

I imagine the engines are far more worrying than what Neweys department will come up with to combat new rules.

I'm more concerned how sluggish Mclaren are constantly playing catch up since Newey left.

FrankJH · 27 Sep 2011 at 06:51

dannyjo22 said:
It's not like Newey doesn't have a history of getting it right with rule changes. He normally nails it.

He did a good job with reg changes while at williams. Did a superb job with the mclarens with 98 reg changes. Did well in 09 and superbly in 2010.

I imagine the engines are far more worrying than what Neweys department will come up with to combat new rules.

I'm more concerned how sluggish Mclaren are constantly playing catch up since Newey left.

Totally agree with you

While Im sure its too late to do much about this year - Im sure the McLaren aero guys will at least take a good look at that video of the RB underside taken recently - might give them some ideas at the very least

Sparky · 27 Sep 2011 at 13:42

dannyjo22 said:
It's not like Newey doesn't have a history of getting it right with rule changes. He normally nails it.

He did a good job with reg changes while at williams. Did a superb job with the mclarens with 98 reg changes. Did well in 09 and superbly in 2010.

I imagine the engines are far more worrying than what Neweys department will come up with to combat new rules.

I'm more concerned how sluggish Mclaren are constantly playing catch up since Newey left.

Hey Danny didnt you know we are now virtually the Renault factory team

Sparky · 27 Sep 2011 at 13:43

FrankJH said:
Totally agree with you

While Im sure its too late to do much about this year - Im sure the McLaren aero guys will at least take a good look at that video of the RB underside taken recently - might give them some ideas at the very least

and it could cause them more headaches than they currently have..

TaKeN · 27 Sep 2011 at 14:15

Do tell more nuTs

smr · 27 Sep 2011 at 14:50

I still think Ferrari are going to do something special in the next two years... just a gut feeling.

mmj_uk · 27 Sep 2011 at 16:27

The_Abyss said:
The way Hamilton is driving at the moment it looks like having other drivers on the track is a major inconvenience to him. Same with tyres going off or weather changing. He just drives like it is a series of 1 lap charges, and everyone else should get out of his way.

Personally I think he's lost belief in the car and has written this year off. This was typified in Singapore when he basically asked if it was worth carrying on. Nobody does that.

IMO he will settle down once the Mclaren is able to consistently compete for wins against Red Bull.

He's an old school driver that wants to drive every lap at 100% of the cars ability but F1 today is a game of micro management and doesn't reward being on the edge every lap, when he's got the right the car underneath him he won't need to overdrive and take silly risks so as not to not lose ground on Vettel.

He's had an absolutely horrid season this year but has still scored nearly as many points as Alonso, Button, Webber, that shows the talent he has... he just lacks a championship winning car that will allow him to win races whilst taking it easy (a la Vettel/RBR).

gord · 27 Sep 2011 at 16:48

CS||nuTs said:
Renault factory team

They wish!

dannyjo22 · 27 Sep 2011 at 16:54

CS||nuTs said:
Hey Danny didnt you know we are now virtually the Renault factory team

I guess you are, it certainly makes more financial sense for them to do that. Like most engine manufacturers they make better suppliers than when they try to run their own outfit.

It will be interesting to see which supplier gets the new engines right and reliable right away.

Glaucus · 27 Sep 2011 at 17:23

mmj_uk said:
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I agree with this, but is also why I've downgraded my opinion. I was really hoping that he would learn tactics and thinking from button. But he doesn't seem to. Which IMO means he won't be an all time great. Especially in this day and age, when there are so many outstanding drivers and more coming up the ranks all the time. A true great is someone who is blistering fast and can think.
Lewis has proved he doesn't do this and IMO vettel hasn't had the opportunity to show us this edge.

MooMoo444 · 27 Sep 2011 at 17:27

I wonder what Button could do with Vettel's RB. He's really an amazing driver, I hope he gets another WDC.

Plus he does what a lot of drivers fail, and thats actually come across as a nice guy.

dannyjo22 · 27 Sep 2011 at 18:19

MooMoo444 said:
Plus he does what a lot of drivers fail, and thats actually come across as a nice guy.

Yes but that's a recent thing, he didn't have a good rep when he drove for Williams benetton or in his early bar days.

ps3ud0 · 27 Sep 2011 at 18:43

dannyjo22 said:
Yes but that's a recent thing, he didn't have a good rep when he drove for Williams benetton or in his early bar days.

Of course he did - Ive watched him since GP2 and hes the same as hes ever been, though probably more relaxed nowadays. Dont understand why you would think differently :confused:

ps3ud0

Glaucus · 27 Sep 2011 at 18:44

Due to his contracts, he annoyed managers and teams.

Sparky · 27 Sep 2011 at 18:59

mmj_uk said:
IMO he will settle down once the Mclaren is able to consistently compete for wins against Red Bull.

He's an old school driver that wants to drive every lap at 100% of the cars ability but F1 today is a game of micro management and doesn't reward being on the edge every lap, when he's got the right the car underneath him he won't need to overdrive and take silly risks so as not to not lose ground on Vettel.

He's had an absolutely horrid season this year but has still scored nearly as many points as Alonso, Button, Webber, that shows the talent he has... he just lacks a championship winning car that will allow him to win races whilst taking it easy (a la Vettel/RBR).

Wish he would stop phoning Red Bull, he is starting to sound desperate

ps3ud0 · 27 Sep 2011 at 19:03

AcidHell2 said:
Due to his contracts, he annoyed managers and teams.

How does that not make him a nice guy? LOL if thats the reason though...

ps3ud0 :cool:

Glaucus · 27 Sep 2011 at 19:04

ps3ud0 said:
How does that not make him a nice guy? LOL if thats the reason though...

ps3ud0

It doesn't, but I expect that's the reason he said it.

dannyjo22 · 27 Sep 2011 at 19:08

Contracts, his attitude when he was at Benetton was also widely reported. That he became very big headed like he'd made it. That he didn't have to put the effort in anymore and he was widely reported to have turned into a playboy.

He had a pretty poor reputation prior to going to BAR and basically being rescued by Richards. Even at the time people questioned Richards signing him.

Button turned it around, no reason to suggest others cannot as well.

ps3ud0 · 27 Sep 2011 at 19:12

Ah so recent as in the first 3 years of his 10 year F1 career - interesting way to put it...

ps3ud0 :cool:

Sparky · 27 Sep 2011 at 19:13

I like JB he is a very funny lad with a great sense of humour. My boss was at BAR/Honda when Richards, Geoff Willis etc were there and he has nothing but nice things to say about JB.

I imagine he would be a lot easier to get on with than say Lewis for example.