Singapore Grand Prix 2015, Marina Bay - Race 13/19

drunkenmaster said:
Clamp between the plenum and the turbo, effectively air would be leaking out causing a huge drop of pressure/boost coming from the compressor. He was 40mph down on the straights. Consider that Mclaren's performance is rubbish because they are 5-15mph down depending on the sector and well, yeah, no chance in hell for that car.

Ridiculous as well as you're talking about what is effectively another $5 part like what ended his Australian GP last year, a $1 spark plug cost him a cylinder.

Would be a bit of a shame for me if Button did Top Gear, Clarkson and the others are huge buffoons and most of the show is barely watchable. None of there stuff requires or needs a top driver, just an idiot doing stupid stuff on camera. He'd basically be wasted on it where as he'd give great insight if given a role in F1, presenter/pundit/commentator. Though that would require him travelling constantly to do the show which he may want a break from.

I'm debating how much to read into next years Mclaren performance from his decision though, does he know the engine won't be good enough or does he just think he's being lied to about how good it will be next year. Ron was talking up the engine last year like it was fantastic and would be ultra competitive, maybe he told the drivers that last year, as such you wouldn't suddenly believe him about next year even if he was telling the truth.

It's been painfully obvious all year that he's being paid to say what he does in interviews about the progression and improvements of the team. There have been slip ups from both drivers all year but Button seems to have been giving joke replies in/around his PR speak in the last couple of races and some of his interviews this weekend were damn funny. Most people all weekend saw those interviews as someone who no longer wants to keep his job and thus doesn't need to stick to the company message.
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I was told by someone in Redbull last November that everyone knew the engine/ power plant was awful.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Because something that costs $150k is usually complex and hence the cost. A simple clamp that was designed first 100 years ago and has been redesigned to near perfection 30 years ago that almost never in a million years fails actually failing is incredibly bad luck.

When a super complex gearbox that cost 50k to make and 30million to design fails, well there is still huge room for redesign and improvement. When something ultra simple and seemingly infallible fails that is very different.
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So it isn't ridiculous, it is incredibly bad luck now?
 
The WEC cars do look great, and I hear the racings really good, it'll be nice to follow another series properly and sink my teeth into it if he does go there.

RE: the F1 race... A good race for radio chatter I thought :)

A few goldies...

"I should have known really... that he's mental..." (Button on clashing with Maldonado)

"And rub your tummy and pat your head?" (Button's response after a long string of driving requests)

"Very good job Daniel. You'll upset your former team mate by the fact you got fastest lap, so let him know. You two were in a class of your own today." (Christian Horner)

"At last we've got a break with safety cars - well actually we got a break last time, we just ballsed it up." (Button on a botched first pit stop)

http://www.formula1.com/content/fom...hat--the-best-of-race-radio-in-singapore.html

More there ^
 
smr said:
The WEC cars do look great, and I hear the racings really good, it'll be nice to follow another series properly and sink my teeth into it if he does go there.
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Its definitely worth putting some time into. They are obviously slow burners being 6 (or 24) hour races, but the 4 classes mean threes always battles somewhere.

The hybrid technology at the front of the field is also far better, more relevant, and much more impressive than anything F1 has done.
 
So Red Bull will quit F1 if they don't get works-engine parity with Ferrari, that seems a bit cheeky - "hey we don't like Renault anymore, so can we have an engine from you as Mercedes won't give us one - oh and it has to be a works engine with no HP or config deficit". In a way I can't blame Red Bull, why would they want to be another Williams-esque customer team with a disadvantage to their works partner, but on the other hand they should probably feel lucky Ferrari are offering them anything - Merc have given them a resounding no.
 
smr said:
So Red Bull will quit F1 if they don't get works-engine parity with Ferrari, that seems a bit cheeky - "hey we don't like Renault anymore, so can we have an engine from you as Mercedes won't give us one - oh and it has to be a works engine with no HP or config deficit". In a way I can't blame Red Bull, why would they want to be another Williams-esque customer team with a disadvantage to their works partner, but on the other hand they should probably feel lucky Ferrari are offering them anything - Merc have given them a resounding no.
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The issue is that Mercedes and Ferrari are even able to say no. Is it right that top teams can pick and chose which other teams are competitive?
 
Mercedes can say what the hell they want and sell to whoever they want as there's nothing in the rules I believe? I'm sure Mercedes probably did offer a customer engine and Arab said 'works with parity' and Mercedes said, 'you think we're crazy?'
 
Now you can see why Mercedes as much as a bummer it's been and looks set to continue fir a few years went this way.

Time for a rule change, but I'm not sure how it would work, Mercedes only had two engines available last race, would you stop them using them until the rest of the field had the same engines?
Or would you just day as soon as possible, but then how on earth do you regulate it.
It's a bull ache and it's more testing and closing the gap that needs to happen, to try and get all 4 engines roughly similar.
 
Glaucus said:
Now you can see why Mercedes as much as a bummer it's been and looks set to continue fir a few years went this way.

Time for a rule change, but I'm not sure how it would work, Mercedes only had two engines available last race, would you stop them using them until the rest of the field had the same engines?
Or would you just day as soon as possible, but then how on earth do you regulate it.
It's a bull ache and it's more testing and closing the gap that needs to happen, to try and get all 4 engines roughly similar.
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The rules mandate a single engine specification for all teams for the whole season. This year is just a glitch because the FIA made a boo boo. Next year there will be no in season upgrades, and if they don't allow the Current -1 engine idea then everyone will have the same spec engines from a supplier.

I genuinely think they should separate teams from engine makers, and perhaps enforce an open market on choice to prevent the manufacturers hand picking who they want to compete with.
 
Steampunk said:
RBR don't want to work with Renault out of choice, yet people are saying Mercedes should be obliged to work with RBR and have no choice in the matter?
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Your engine supplier should be a supplier, simple as that. When Hamilton had his brake failures Mercedes took their business elsewhere. It shouldn't be the case that teams are blocked from getting an engine because they might actually be competitive if they do.

Mercedes and Ferrari are in a position where they could, if they wanted, force 2 other teams to quit F1. That is fundamentally broken.
 
Keep forgetting that tokens have to be used by a certain date,
If that's the case then there are no b-grade engines as they have to be homogenized(or what ever the word is) before the start of the season. In which case rbr is just kicking up fuss for some other reason.
 
Homologated.

The fuss is about the suggestion that teams will be able to buy a supply of the previous years engine spec for 2/3rds of the price. It's all tied into that. Ferrari support the Current -1 engine idea, so you can guarantee that's what they have initially offered RBR. The risk is the Current -1 idea doesn't happen and then Ferrari decide to not give RBR engines.

As always, it requires a quick decision by the FIA, but thats not something they can do, especially with the regulation by committee garbage they have going on.
 
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Skeeter said:
Your engine supplier should be a supplier, simple as that. When Hamilton had his brake failures Mercedes took their business elsewhere. It shouldn't be the case that teams are blocked from getting an engine because they might actually be competitive if they do.

Mercedes and Ferrari are in a position where they could, if they wanted, force 2 other teams to quit F1. That is fundamentally broken.
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You can't keep saying that teams can "take their business elsewhere" and then want to force suppliers to not have any choice who they supply or under what terms. Freedom and choice works both ways.

If teams are not willing to spend money to build their own engine or find one from another supplier, then they pretty much have to take what is on offer.

Mercedes and Ferrari do so well because they are works teams, a cut above customer teams because they can do everything. RBR was the defacto Renault team and won a lot of races with them. Now RBR has thrown Renault under the bus, they can hardly complain when competitors don't want to work with them. Maybe next year RBR will be publicly criticising Ferrari if they don't get the engine working to their liking. How do you think Ferrari will like that?
 
MissChief said:
If everyone was mandated to supply who they want Renault wouldn't have been supplying anyone.
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There's also been issues with supply, ie manufacturers only have the capacity for manufacturing and supporting so many teams/engines a year. You can't just tell a manufacturer that they have to invest millions in order to have capacity to supply everyone.
 
Steampunk said:
There's also been issues with supply, ie manufacturers only have the capacity for manufacturing and supporting so many teams/engines a year. You can't just tell a manufacturer that they have to invest millions in order to have capacity to supply everyone.
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True.
But it does seam that RB want to leave F1 and I'm sure they want to make look like they was forced.
"Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says his team will not participate in Formula One if they have to make do with older engines" I hope RB go asap.
 
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deuse said:
True.
But it does seam that RB want to leave F1 and I'm sure they want to make look like they was forced.
"Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says his team will not participate in Formula One if they have to make do with older engines" I hope RB go asap.
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Yep, they should either leave or stay. Instead, when they were no longer winning, they started whining and complaining in public about everything else. I think Mateschitz has even said that they are there to win, and if they are not winning, there's no reason for RB to spend the money to be there, because it's all about selling sugary drinks. Fine, then leave.

As for not getting Mercedes engines, Lauda is saying they spoke to RBR briefly, once a few months ago, and then they've not been contacted since. Now they've signed to supply Manor, Mercedes is now up to capacity and can't supply anyone else even if they wanted to.

It looks like Mateschitz wants out, and he wants to burn the house down around him as he leaves so no one else gets to play if he doesn't win all the time.
 
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