Sir Tony Blair

Hades said:
It's over 760k this morning and the momentum hasn't stopped for the last few days. This could well break a million by the end of the weekend. It's funny when people say the petition is pointless. I suspect those signing it know very well that it won't make a blind bit of difference to the knighthood. But they also know it's sending a huge **** you middle finger to him. When it reached 500k it was mentioned on several news outlets and it's being talked about on various forums including this. So the petition has already been very successful.
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Im sure poor old Sir Blair must be crying into his cornflakes this morning to suddenly learn that 100s of thousands of people dont like him.
 
He needs a statue, maybe to replace Churchill who was apparently very politically incorrect.
Maybe even a ship naming after him?
 
cheesyboy said:
It's bad faith reading to take that article and paint it as anything other than Straw pushing the case for women to not wear the veil.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...top-wearing-veils-altogether-419045.html?s=09
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So no quote to back up the claim... "Jack Straw – As a member of the Cabinet told Muslim women to stop wearing veils" funny that.

Try to read what he actually said and apply some basic reading comprehension. The initial comments were about how he asks women with full-face veils (not veils in general) to lift them when meeting him face to face. He's then elaborated re: his views on (full face) veils.

"Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather."

That's quite clear, you totally missed it or it went over your head.

At no point has he told Muslim women to stop wearing full-face veils let alone veils in general and as a result, you have nothing to back up that claim you're supporting.
 
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dowie said:
So no quote to back up the claim... "Jack Straw – As a member of the Cabinet told Muslim women to stop wearing veils" funny that.

Try to read what he actually said and apply some basic reading comprehension. The initial comments were about how he asks women with full-face veils (not veils in general) to lift them when meeting him face to face. He's then elaborated re: his views on (full face) veils.

"Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather."

That's quite clear, you totally missed it or it went over your head.

At no point has he told Muslim women to stop wearing full-face veils let alone veils in general and as a result, you have nothing to back up that claim you're supporting.
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I think if you read the article in context, it's quite clear what he's saying. But you do you Dowie, as always debating with you would be both pointless and boring.
 
cheesyboy said:
I think if you read the article in context, it's quite clear what he's saying. But you do you Dowie, as always debating with you would be both pointless and boring.
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It is pretty clear as I've already explained. Go ahead and quote him...

Note you're unable to do so because if you do quote him it's clear he's not said what you're claiming...

It's not a debate, you're just wrong, you supported a claim that was obviously false and you can't back it up which is why you have no quote from him to support it.
 
cheesyboy said:
I think if you read the article in context, it's quite clear what he's saying. But you do you Dowie, as always debating with you would be both pointless and boring.
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He recalled a meeting with a veiled constituent who told him how nice it was to meet him "face to face". He described how he felt " uncomfortable about talking to someone 'face to face' who I could not see" and said the garment could make it harder to bring communities together.

He added yesterday: "Communities are bound together partly by informal chance relations between strangers - people being able to acknowledge each other in the street or being able pass the time of day. That's made more difficult if people are wearing a veil." He said he hoped there could be a "mature debate" about the issue and said that he had a " profound commitment to equal rights for Muslim communities".
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Yeah if you read the article in the context of how the Independent knows it's readers want to read it and ignore the actual words spoken by the people being referred to, then it's quite clear what the Independent want you to think in the context of a piece of propaganda
 
Roar87 said:
Yeah if you read the article in the context of how the Independent knows it's readers want to read it and ignore the actual words spoken by the people being referred to, then it's quite clear what the Independent want you to think in the context of a piece of propaganda
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Apart from.
Undaunted by a wave of criticism, including condemnation from the one of the Church of England's most senior bishops, Mr Straw waded further into the row yesterday. Asked if he would rather the veils be discarded completely, he said: "Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather."
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Oliver Letwin, the Tory policy director, said it was a "dangerous doctrine" to start telling people how to dress
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Snigger.
 
Tony Edwards said:
Apart from.
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What do you mean apart from?

Did you miss the words: "I am not talking about being prescriptive", he's expressing his own views on full-face veils, that's not the same as telling others not to wear them.

The claim is false and neither you nor cheesyboy has anything to support it... your attempts to do so just illustrated bad reading comprehension on your part.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6738603.stm

10 June 2007
The amount of official material being translated by bodies such as councils should be cut to encourage immigrants to learn English, Ruth Kelly has said.

The communities secretary said there were cases - such as in a casualty ward - where translation was necessary.

But, she told the BBC's Politics Show, translation had been "used too frequently and without thought".

Ms Kelly said that learning and using the English language was "key" to helping migrants to integrate.
The Commission on Integration and Cohesion, set up in the wake of the London bombings in July 2005, is due to highlight the issue of the volume of material being translated in its report due later this week.

It was set up to look at practical and local ways of encouraging community cohesion.
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These are all things that Labour have had a go at the Tories for saying. Yet we on the left must look at the Blair years favourably. Although he would have been heading out the door around that time.
 
Tony Edwards said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6738603.stm

10 June 2007These are all things that Labour have had a go at the Tories for saying. Yet we on the left must look at the Blair years favourably. Although he would have been heading out the door around that time.
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You realise most people in the country, probably as in 80%+, would agree that people moving here should learn English? There's literally nothing wrong with that statement.
 
Roar87 said:
You realise most people in the country, probably as in 80%+, would agree that people moving here should learn English? There's literally nothing wrong with that statement.
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But that is not what is being said. What was said was that leaflets should stop being translated into their prefered language. Now I dont know about you but even in english I sometimes find somethings hard to understand. I can read certain government leafets a few times and still be a little unsure of what they actually mean.
 
I would love to see a list comparing those that think Farage should have been knighted for brexit against those that think Blair shouldnt have been knighted despite him being an ex PM.
 
Tony Edwards said:
But that is not what is being said. What was said was that leaflets should stop being translated into their prefered language. Now I dont know about you but even in english I sometimes find somethings hard to understand. I can read certain government leafets a few times and still be a little unsure of what they actually mean.
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I mean, do you think it's some trivial work to get official leaflets translated into X amount of languages? X being essentially unlimited as you can't say we're going to translate for this group of people but not another group.
 
Roar87 said:
You realise most people in the country, probably as in 80%+, would agree that people moving here should learn English? There's literally nothing wrong with that statement.
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Roar87 said:
I mean, do you think it's some trivial work to get official leaflets translated into X amount of languages? X being essentially unlimited as you can't say we're going to translate for this group of people but not another group.
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You do realise these are two very different conversations?
 
dowie said:
So no quote to back up the claim... "Jack Straw – As a member of the Cabinet told Muslim women to stop wearing veils" funny that.

Try to read what he actually said and apply some basic reading comprehension. The initial comments were about how he asks women with full-face veils (not veils in general) to lift them when meeting him face to face. He's then elaborated re: his views on (full face) veils.

"Yes. It needs to be made clear I am not talking about being prescriptive but with all the caveats, yes, I would rather."

That's quite clear, you totally missed it or it went over your head.

At no point has he told Muslim women to stop wearing full-face veils let alone veils in general and as a result, you have nothing to back up that claim you're supporting.
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I actually didn't mind Jack Straw thought he was quite good at his job in the HO all things considered. Tony should have taken his advice.
 
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