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This.
Sir Tony Blair
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Maybe for a few more Western countries but certainly not World Wide TBF -
Rwandan Genocide - 800k dead in 100 days - 1994
Somalia Civil War - 500k+ dead - 1991 onwards
Chechen War - 250k dead - 1994-1996 & 1999 onwards
Yugoslavia Civil War - 140k dead, 3 countries wrecked, return of Concentration Camps to Europe - 1991-1999
Afghanistan - Taliban takes over and we know where that ended up - 1996
etc.
The late 90's in the UK was a good place to be it felt, we had "Cool Britannia", money seemed OK, mortgages seemed affordable etc, looking back life felt "good". If only we'd known then what was to be the outcome of those "have fun partying" years.
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The crazy thing is why the hell did he need to do all those things in the first place? What sort of uncaring government must we have had before for all those things needing to be brought in.
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There was good, there was bad.
Here's a thread of some of the more insidious stuff that really was quite damaging in the long run. Much of it laying the groundwork for both the lengthy Tory government and the Brexit disaster:
Here's a thread of some of the more insidious stuff that really was quite damaging in the long run. Much of it laying the groundwork for both the lengthy Tory government and the Brexit disaster:
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Haha why cheesyboy why? You have just reminded me why I disliked those people at the time. I had totaly forgotten those policies.
Im glad for the reminder though.
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It always surprises me how much of a total **** Blunkett was! I wasn't paying enough attention at the time I suppose.
Yeah this.
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The worst day of my life was watching mr slime ball walking up the step into No 10 with that snidey smirk on his face and now it's the second worst day of my life with sir slime ball. - I hate and loath that - I was going to say man but that's insulting to men.
Can I take it you didn't send him a Christmas card this year?
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You must have lived a very charmed life if those are the worst two days of your life.
LOL sure
Wait, all of those things are supposed to be bad???
Oh no, not letting in unskilled immigrants????
So illegals then? The immigration minister wanted to better enforce immigration law?
That's false, he didn't say any such thing about veils in general, he was talking about a case where he couldn't see someone's face because they were wearing a full-face veil. He didn't tell people what to wear, he's outlined how he (in the presence of a female staff member) asks women who come to see him wearing full-face veils to lift their veil in order to make communication easier.
The whole knighthood thing is ridiculous arcane nonsense that should be scrapped, I would never in my life refer to someone as "sir" or "lord", pretentious as hell, citizens are equals.
The Iraq War, sanctioning torture, detention without charge, the RIPA act and surveillance state that stripped away human rights were such a stain that it overshadows any good that was done under his leadership, he absolutely should not be knighted. Not to mention the constant fearmongering about terrorism, even putting up posters telling people to report their neighbours if they had DIY chemicals in their rubbish bins. It was an incredibly authoritarian government that constantly sought to increase state power.
I also find it astonishing some of the things people attribute to Tony Blair, like low mortgage rates, as if he really played any role in that. The prime minister has limited impact on things like the economy.
There aren't anywhere near 65 million adults in the UK, and you haven't polled them, just because they haven't signed a petition they probably haven't heard about doesn't make them ok with it...
The Iraq War, sanctioning torture, detention without charge, the RIPA act and surveillance state that stripped away human rights were such a stain that it overshadows any good that was done under his leadership, he absolutely should not be knighted. Not to mention the constant fearmongering about terrorism, even putting up posters telling people to report their neighbours if they had DIY chemicals in their rubbish bins. It was an incredibly authoritarian government that constantly sought to increase state power.
I also find it astonishing some of the things people attribute to Tony Blair, like low mortgage rates, as if he really played any role in that. The prime minister has limited impact on things like the economy.
There aren't anywhere near 65 million adults in the UK, and you haven't polled them, just because they haven't signed a petition they probably haven't heard about doesn't make them ok with it...
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It's over 760k this morning and the momentum hasn't stopped for the last few days. This could well break a million by the end of the weekend. It's funny when people say the petition is pointless. I suspect those signing it know very well that it won't make a blind bit of difference to the knighthood. But they also know it's sending a huge **** you middle finger to him. When it reached 500k it was mentioned on several news outlets and it's being talked about on various forums including this. So the petition has already been very successful.
I'm of the opinion most governments ride on the economic coat tails of the previous government, at least at the start of their tenure. Economies rarely change overnight; they are like supertankers that take a long time to turn. In this way Labour of the 90's benefitted, at least at the start, from the economic situation setup by the previous government which they inherited. I do think they did some good and certainly they were better than the current aweful rabble (can't wait to get this lot out). But the Iraq war tainted his legacy and he is therefore responsible directly or indirectly for the administration which caused a huge number of deaths - not least including Dr David Kelly.
I'm of the opinion most governments ride on the economic coat tails of the previous government, at least at the start of their tenure. Economies rarely change overnight; they are like supertankers that take a long time to turn. In this way Labour of the 90's benefitted, at least at the start, from the economic situation setup by the previous government which they inherited. I do think they did some good and certainly they were better than the current aweful rabble (can't wait to get this lot out). But the Iraq war tainted his legacy and he is therefore responsible directly or indirectly for the administration which caused a huge number of deaths - not least including Dr David Kelly.
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Yes he did. It's in the linked article in that thread.
It's crazy how much hate people have, Blair did a lot of good things but did make a questionable decision on Iraq. It's not like it's cut and dry that it was a bad decision though, it seemed fairly reasonable at the time to remove Saddam regardless of WMD's, Saddam committed war crimes undoubtedly, not many people predicted the rise of ISIS afterwards, but yes the post war planning was bad. I'm not some Tony Blair fanboy but I don't think he was a bad PM for our country at the time.
90s was crazy even if you were on benefits you could get a TV on buy now pay later
it was never going to end well, I guess it's where everyone started buying multiple houses too and becoming landlords.
every city has that one lady who buys a new house every week.
probably does nothing with the vast fortune shes made etc... hope they die a lonely old death with no family or friends around
Quote him then...
Bad faith reading + lack of context = dubious claim which mischaracterizes his position completely.
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It's bad faith reading to take that article and paint it as anything other than Straw pushing the case for women to not wear the veil.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...top-wearing-veils-altogether-419045.html?s=09