Skyline R34 GT-T

merlin said:
Durzel, I dont understand your comments that the RX7 is not a track car.

It's a very capable as a track car, per countless Best Motoring vids.

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DreXeL said:
I wasn't actually talking about my car in particular, I was talking standard for standard.

I was waiting for that vid to be dragged out. For every Best Motoring vis you find that shows the RX7 being beat by the Skyline, I'll find another that has the outcome the other way round. I have found those vids to be so inconsistant as to be worthless.
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Oops! You've just inadvertently shot down your cohort merlins argument. :)

Hopefully we can all agree that its "different strokes for different folks". Evos, Scoobies, Skylines and RX7s are all universally great - but comparing them just because they all happen to be fast and Japanese doesn't necessarily work. They all have their own markets, fanbases and so on - and there are plenty of people with rose-tinted glasses who will say one make is crap over the other.

I could, for example, say that I thought Evos were overrated and "riced up coupes" - but I'd make myself look a bit stupid by saying that when I've never driven one in anger.

Like I said, I've owned a Skyline with uprated (Nismo) suspension and it was planted on the road. The standard Skyline suspension & brakes aren't amazing, like most factory cars, so its no great surprise the market for aftermarket bits is so big.
 
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Durzel said:
I'm not saying its not a track car. I'm saying its probably not as good as Evos or Scoobies. But then what do I know - I haven't owned one, maybe my opinions are therefore tainted... sound like a familiar position? :) Like I said before, I was being facetious to prove a point.Here ya go:
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Fair enough. :)

I do have experience of passenger rides in Skylines, last one running around 340/350 bhp.

It was an absolute boat, imo.

And I've had 4 scoobs & seen what Drexels car is capable of etc so I'm whilst I've not exactly hired a Skyline for a day and assessed it thoroughly - I'm not shooting total blanks.
 
Durzel said:
But your RX7 is modded isn't it? Whether your RX7 is planted on the road or not is academic really. You can't compare modded cars with how they came out of the factory and act like its comparing apples to apples.
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As I said, I'm talking standard for standard. As standard, an RX7 is a focused drivers sports car, the Skyline is more of a cruiser. I don't think anyone is denying that. Because of this, the RX7 will give the better driving experience, even if we put on-paper performance aside.

Durzel said:
Incidentally, a friend of mine who bought an RX7 recently crashed it on the 2nd day of ownership when he lost the back end going up a motorway onramp. Inexperience - certainly, but he isn't a crap driver. If unexpectedly drifting around corners on dry/moist roads floats your boat I'm sure its a great car. :)
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It does not 'unexpectedly' drift, it actually gives you huge amounts of feedback and is very progressive. Of course you can't drive it like a 4wd, it's bound to bite you in the ass if you do. It took me a while to adjust too.
 
Durzel said:
Oops! You've just inadvertently shot down your cohort merlins argument. :)
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Oops! You appear to have skip read my comments.

I said it's a very capable track car. Which it is.
 
I'll be the first person to agree that they're heavy cars, but at the end of the day it is still missing the point. My Civic Type-R is faster around corners than my Skyline ever was (lighter, shorter wheelbase, more rigid chassis), but you can be sure as hell that when it came to a straight whatever I would gain on the corners in the Civic would be lost ten fold as soon as the Skyline started accelerating.

Saying a car is "overrated" is a strong thing to say. Overrated compared to what? Overrated under what circumstances? (e.g. track driving, B-roads, etc).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that just because someone is mad about track days (for example) doesn't mean to say that their opinion on cars is any more or less valid than someone who only cars about brute-force acceleration. One man's wine is another man's poison, etc.
 
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merlin said:
Oops! You appear to have skip read my comments.

I said it's a very capable track car. Which it is.
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I know you did. Read what I wrote.. you said "RX7 has been shown to be great in Best Motoring vids" and then DreXeL said (paraphrased) "Best Motoring vids are worthless". So, he shot down the foundation of your argument that they're very capable track cars (as I'm sure they are anyway, despite this Best Motoring slur).
 
DreXeL said:
As I said, I'm talking standard for standard. As standard, an RX7 is a focused drivers sports car, the Skyline is more of a cruiser. I don't think anyone is denying that. Because of this, the RX7 will give the better driving experience, even if we put on-paper performance aside.
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Better driving experience in whos opinion? Someone who enjoys B-road blasting or trackdays? (not inferring you do, but that is what seems to be implied).

Without wanting to sound confrontational, who are you to say what is the "ultimate driving experience" ? To some people its going around corners sideways, to others its putting their foot down and feeling like they're glued to their seat.

Suggesting that "better driving experience" automatically translates to trackday fun is a bit short-sighted.
 
I'm not proporting my opinon is any more valid than anyone elses - I'm just saying what my opinion is, which is that - without some serious work - they're lardy, sloppy, wallowy buckets of lard.

Ok sorry, peace - I'm going home to watch the Fimbles. :D
 
Who cares.

All are great cars. I would be willing to bet that the Skyline has the least amount of driver involvement. I do love the sound of an tuned RB26DETT. The vid of the Mines one is awesome, but hardly standard.

Isn't this what we are comparing here though? Standard cars? And I would agree, a standard GTR is overrated.
 
merlin said:
I'm not proporting my opinon is any more valid than anyone elses - I'm just saying what my opinion is, which is that - without some serious work - they're lardy, sloppy, wallowy buckets of lard.

Ok sorry, peace - I'm going home to watch the Fimbles. :D
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I would dispute that, but then what do I know - I've only owned an R33 GTR and R34 GTR for over 2 years, and I'm arguing with someone who has sat in the passenger seat of one once. I bow to your superior experience. :p

Anyway, I don't think this is going to go anywhere - my closing statement is that Evos, Skylines, Subarus and RX7s are all great. And that's it.
 
Skylines are based on a a family saloon after all kinda the equivalent of a Lancer without the EVO bit. The name as implies they are a Grand Tourning. I think Gran Turismo and the fast and the furious have a lot to answer for in raising the expectations of what a Skyline actually is.

But then the Race series from which the GTR was born really does show its is a capeable car, albeit with £££££ required.

Wasn't RX7 was a purpose built sportscar from the day it rolled out the factory.
 
Durzel said:
Saying a car is "overrated" is a strong thing to say. Overrated compared to what? Overrated under what circumstances? (e.g. track driving, B-roads, etc).
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I have already said (several times) what I meant by overrated. But, I'll say it again. I merely meant that the Skyline, from the factory, is not the tarmac-ripping, amazing handling monster that people (usually in their teens) think it is.

Durzel said:
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that just because someone is mad about track days (for example) doesn't mean to say that their opinion on cars is any more or less valid than someone who only cars about brute-force acceleration. One man's wine is another man's poison, etc.
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That I do agree with :)

mrk1@1 said:
Wasn't RX7 was a purpose built sportscar from the day it rolled out the factory.
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Yes it was, and that's my point.
 
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DreXeL said:
Yes it was, and that's my point.
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Don't think anyones ever denied this, and stock GTTs are a barge compared to them

But given the choice.

GTT easily Filled with teenage hoties from the local college or a RX7 and a good wankle on your own.
 
DreXeL said:
I have already said (several times) what I meant by overrated. But, I'll say it again. I merely meant that the Skyline, from the factory, is not the tarmac-ripping, amazing handling monster that people (usually in their teens) think it is.
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Well, I sortof agree. There is so much crap that flies about regarding Skylines and what is realistically achieveable with them - all due to the likes of Gran Turismo, etc. The reality is definitely more sobering. I lost count of the number of times I had people coming up to me saying "this got 1000bhp then?", like 1000bhp was achievable by flicking a switch or something. In the end I just didn't bother correcting people, as it just prolonged an ultimately pointless conversation.

As for women - well, one thing I would say - if you want to be treated like you are driving a Ferrari (but without people thinking you're a snob and wanting to key the car) then Skylines are great. :D I had a couple of ladies come up to me in a carpark once simply because everyone else was looking at the car. They figured I was famous, or that the car was more expensive than it really was. They didn't even know what it was (which wasn't unusual for most women in my experience - they typically just loved the colour, or thought it was a Subaru).

If you want to be treated like a minor celebrity, buy a Skyline. :p

That said, I'm probably the least arrogant/confident person you could meet so I never really capitalised on any of the opportunities (including - no joke - "Ill shag you for a ride in your car"). It was nice to see how the other half lived though.

Simon said:
I've just worked it out. Durzel is a Japanese Fox :D ;)


Afterall the Skyline is a Jap Mondeo
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lol. I hardly need to champion the cause of Skylines though, it's not like I'm fighting a losing battle (sorry Fox :p).
 
willd58 said:
Durzel, am i correct in thinking you sold your R34? if so, WHY!?! D:
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i was wondering the same thing and if he gets another Skyline meet me up Braton Road :p, also Durzel was it one of your Skylines that got broken into quite a few years back?
 
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There's no denying that they are hugely tunable, have a great engine in terms of tuning potential, and are a great modifying base. Fact is though, as standard, they are massively over-rated.
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I don't agree with that at all. A show room R33 Skyline GTR did the 'Ring in just under 8 seconds iirc. That's a bloomin quick time for a car with only 280bhp

The Skyline has been causing a stir in motorsport and on the road for years. If you can name a far better car then go for it. You will always read about cars that have beaten Skylines, but chances are they were tweaked as well

The Skyline is an icon, and was to many people before playstations were even out.
 
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