Skyrim fail - Why don't you like it?

InKursion · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:53

voorhees1979 said:
This comes from the guy who say's everygame with a story is rubbish. Only games worth playing are games with guns frags. everything else don't waste your time and read a book instead. He has not even read the first page of the thread, if he has then I have no idea what to say to him.

I never said that at all - stop being so moronic with your reductive counter-arguments. I said that a videogame must offer something as well as a good storyline, because for storytelling alone the medium is trumped by other art/entertainment. I am all for computer games with good stories, providing they're actually enjoyable to play (active verb, you know, more than passive reception...). Only games worth playing are games with gun frags? I've repeated 3 times now that I'm a big MMO fan and I'm desperately seeking a new MMO to come out to make me a very happy man. Why do you automatically assume I'm a Modern Warfare 3 foaming-mouthed 12 year old, because I am trying to defend the position of someone that possibly can't see the appeal of Skyrim? Why is your world so binary? I'm a big gamer, I don't know why you fervent RPG players are so quick to jump to idiot assumptions about someone that doesn't enjoy your fantasy schtick.

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:55

InKursion said:
I never said that at all - stop being so moronic with your reductive counter-arguments. I said that a videogame must offer something as well as a good storyline, because for storytelling alone the medium is trumped by other art/entertainment. I am all for computer games with good stories, providing they're actually enjoyable to play (active verb, you know, more than passive reception...). Only games worth playing are games with gun frags? I've repeated 3 times now that I'm a big MMO fan and I'm desperately seeking a new MMO to come out to make me a very happy man. Why do you automatically assume I'm a Modern Warfare 3 foaming-mouthed 12 year old, because I am trying to defend the position of someone that possibly can't see the appeal of Skyrim? Why is your world so binary? I'm a big gamer, I don't know why you fervent RPG players are so quick to jump to idiot assumptions about someone that doesn't enjoy your fantasy schtick.

The same reason you think we all sit at our desks 24/7 slaying dragons. How can you even try to defend someone who has not even played the game. Do you not see that at all?

The other threads made like bf3 ones etc, the people who made those threads had actually played the games. This guy can't even say what flaws the game has as he has never ever played it. Don't forget the OP has also changed his first post, like a complete idiot that he is.

FlyingPig · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:00

Fred said:

* make some room on the sofa and share some of that will ya? *

Cat_In_Pyjamas · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:00

InKursion said:
I think the OP's main feeling is that, admitting an entertaining movie or an engrossing book are far better at the 'storytelling' narrative function of art/entertainment, why play Skyrim? Most supporters of the game (and the RPG genre, for that matter) say that the storyline is fantastic-- but really, in terms compared to other mediums, video-game storytelling and writing is still horrifically infantile and poorly developed. Indeed, a fantasy novel would provide a much better story in an infinitely richer, more developed and textured medium. Perhaps you are all just too lazy to read? Perhaps the supposedly attention-deficit 'modern warfare 3 fragger' just admits that games aren't the ideal platform for storytelling delivery, and so seeks it in more suitable forms that you, the RPG player, aren't willing to pursue?

I think games still have a long way to catch-up with other artforms (if games are even to be considered art, which has representation or narrative as a shared basic function) when it comes to storytelling. Taking that as a given, I therefore expect something else to make games stand-out and desirable over the armchair and a fantasy paperback: this is where the social aspect comes in, or perhaps the engaging combat/gameplay itself. Everyone seems to be admitting from point-one that Skyrim is completely individual and asocial, and that the combat 'isn't the point'. Well if the point is the story, why play Skyrim instead of read a book? I think, possibly, that is what the OP is getting at.

So is Skyrim just roleplaying fantasy spoonfed to the terminally lazy? There is certainly something half-arsed about the game's voice acting delivery...

Something about your posts was seriously irksome and now i know what. You seem to assume that role players find rpg's to be pinnacles of story telling.

News flash: you're wrong. I for one am perfectly aware that compared to books the stories they tell are mediocre at best (with some notable exceptions that is). With that said I enjoy the two media of story telling for different reasons. Books take my imagination on a wild ride filled with 'aha!' moments. Rpg's on the other hand involve me on a whole different level - what they lack in imaginative engagement they make up for interactive immersion. They are stories I make my own depending on how i play them.

MMO's are a different beast completely. Vast majority don't play them for the story they tell (and indeed in most cases they are inferior to regular rpg's in that regard) but for the interaction with other players they provide (this includes and isn't limited to competing, bragging rights, socializing). In that way mmo's are perhaps similar to fps games.

KNiVES · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:06

InKursion said:
The point of the thread was to give an opportunity to the RPG lovers to engage and initiate the uninitiated into the joys of your genre. Instead you called him names, met him with incredulity ("how can anyone possibly not see the craft of our game, who is not surely a moron?") and belittled his intelligence and taste. I'd say those posts are redundant.

Why have you singled me out and not the other posters who are much more vitriolic? Let alone the fact your later posts are hardly the bastion of reason and calm.

Spyke_UK · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:08

Jay794 said:
So I thought I'd offer a place for people to talk about why they dislike the game.

So out of all the posts so far and only taking into account people who have actually played the game, how many dislike it?

I think it got to 1?

Anyway, I'm off to play some Skyrim, I feel like killing some troll's.

soullessfire · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:12

In RPG's like Elder Scrolls (and it's a point in case for this reason) the story is only a framework. It's not meant to be a sweeping, deep thing. It's purely there to act as a map and compass in the game, guiding the player roughly through the terrain. Elder Scrolls has always been a sandbox type game with an overlaid story and that's the reason it does so well. Some people like to start up a game and spend 3 hours picking flowers. Why? Well, because they can.

It's the reason World of Warcraft became so popular - it allows you to spend your time as you want. Only got 15 minutes to play before the pizza in the oven is ready? Well, you can do some quick quest, gather some flowers for crafting potions or just explore and add a few areas to the map.

It's the online equivalent of being able to read a book a chapter a night or all at once. You get to decide on the timeframes and what you do in those timeframes which is what creates the pull. The story, as I've already said, is just a guide and you're quite welcome to ignore it when it suits you.

Greenja · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:14

I don't like it because its so amazing my head exploded, cleaning it all up was a nightmare.

Malevolence · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:22

will13 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:22

I honestly can't see how you can say the voice acting and UI is bad in this game?, did you ever play/see TES:Oblivion?

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:28

If Skyrim is so amazingly-awesome, why are you all here responding to a thread which isn't even aimed at the Skyrim lovers? it's aimed at the people who dislike the game, whether they've played it or not?

DisrupTor75 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:37

Jay794 said:
If Skyrim is so amazingly-awesome, why are you all here responding to a thread which isn't even aimed at the Skyrim lovers? it's aimed at the people who dislike the game, whether they've played it or not?

Why would they disklike a game they have not even played? :eek:

And those that do dislike the game probably have no cause to make a thread like you have, especially since YOU DONT EVEN OWN THE GAME.

Skyrim doesn't fail Jay794, but you most certainly do.

Amnesia · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:46

So many posts moaning about a game you have never played ?

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:47

Your arguement is flawed, of course people can dislike something without trying it first, I dislike Saxo's despite never owning or driving one, it's just personal preferences that I have formed based on experience e.g. Chavs are associated with Saxo's, they modify them badly, thus I dislike saxo's because of their association, they probably drive fine

Amnesia said:
So many posts moaning about a game you have never played ?

As I have said before, you don't have to play a game to know you won't like it, I've never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure but I know I won't like it

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:52

Jay794 said:
Your arguement is flawed, of course people can dislike something without trying it first, I dislike Saxo's despite never owning or driving one, it's just personal preferences that I have formed based on experience e.g. Chavs are associated with Saxo's, they modify them badly, thus I dislike saxo's because of their association, they probably drive fine

As I have said before, you don't have to play a game to know you won't like it, I've never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure but I know I won't like it

OK, tell us in detail exactly why you hate Skyrim. Number all yours points in numbers, ie

1)
2)

Etc, let us see why YOU hate the game so much

Beasty · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:54

People complaining that TES games aren't online =

That would be the death of the series. Seriously!

Nobody's going to convince you that you like this game but seems you are barking up the wrong tree with regards to reasoning. Which came first for starters? Rpgs or MMOrpgs?

RE: People not liking things before trying them, sure this happens and fair enough, but people rarely go on vendettas against things they've never tried, religious nuts maybe.

Anyway, great trolling op.

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:56

I never said I hate it

1) I just don't get why so many people can like a game, where as far as I can tell you just wonder round a massive world talking to AI graphics, slaying make believe dragons

bhavv · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:56

Beasty said:
People complaining that TES games aren't online =

That would be the death of the series. Seriously!

Nobody's going to convince you that you like this game but seems you are barking up the wrong tree with regards to reasoning. Which came first for starters? Rpgs or MMOrpgs?

Tell that to all the WoWnub babies that keep on whining for a co op mode in Skyrim

I already tell it to them good.

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 18:59

Jay794 said:
I never said I hate it

1) I just don't get why so many people can like a game, where as far as I can tell you just wonder round a massive world talking to AI graphics, slaying make believe dragons

I forgot all the other games are real life..............

Nice you could only manage one. Nice thread m8, well done

Clap clap

Hairybudda · 13 Nov 2011 at 19:02

Jay794 said:
1) I just don't get why so many people can like a game, where as far as I can tell you just wonder round a massive world talking to AI graphics, slaying make believe dragons

A game that provides you with an interactive alternative reality? God I hate that!