Smoke Free Scotland
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Chronos-X said:They'll just have to give up I'm afraid
You're smug and happy about the old boys in a private members club being denied their personal freedom, when they're not harming anyone by having it, seeing as it's a private club.
I hope you realise what sort of person that makes you.
Mikol said:
I guess that would be because it might cause problems. The smoke can drift in to other areas. Non-smoking staff would have to go in to that room at times.
I'm a smoker and a ban doesn't bother me in the slightest. But, I'm at a loss as to what some night clubs will do, where going outside for a smoke isn't possible.
Windle said:
Theres a wider antisocial aspect of this (much in the same way as we have smoking and non smoking pubs - the smokers go to their pubs and their non smoking mates are forced to follow).
Only a total ban can stop this
With so much support amongst people for a total ban I can't understand why the market itself did not move in this direction already by itself.
The local we use at work has been No Smoking for a year, it is one of the main reasons we go there. Being an ex-smoker I dislike smokey pubs as much as the next man but I also dislike Govt legislation enforcing a lack of choice.
The pub we use had a change of customer within 1 week of banning smoking. We see a lot more old people in there (I mean well past reitrement) and a lot of new faces whilst a lot of the old faces have left.
The point is that withut a ban it is possible for a pub to be non smoking because there is enough local demand for it therefore why do we need a ban, why hasn't the market reacted quickly enough to the change in opinion regarding smoking?
The local we use at work has been No Smoking for a year, it is one of the main reasons we go there. Being an ex-smoker I dislike smokey pubs as much as the next man but I also dislike Govt legislation enforcing a lack of choice.
The pub we use had a change of customer within 1 week of banning smoking. We see a lot more old people in there (I mean well past reitrement) and a lot of new faces whilst a lot of the old faces have left.
The point is that withut a ban it is possible for a pub to be non smoking because there is enough local demand for it therefore why do we need a ban, why hasn't the market reacted quickly enough to the change in opinion regarding smoking?
So, that's smoking taken care of.
Banning booze should be next, right? It makes logical sense. It's bad for you and those around you.
Seriously, I can see that in time they may place restrictions on the advertising of booze in the same way they have with fags.
Banning booze should be next, right? It makes logical sense. It's bad for you and those around you.
Seriously, I can see that in time they may place restrictions on the advertising of booze in the same way they have with fags.
danrok said:So, that's smoking taken care of.
Banning booze should be next, right? It makes logical sense. It's bad for you and those around you.
Seriously, I can see that in time they may place restrictions on the advertising of booze in the same way they have with fags.
Its heading that way: see the drinkaware.co.uk tag and "enjoy X responsibly" on every drinks advert now.
Theres even an advert which features a guy or girl going into a party and seeing clones of theirself around, ending up being sick etc. That's sponsored by Diageo (Guinness's owners) and I doubt they're putting that out out of the goodness of their own hearts.
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Windle said:There regulating the "smoking" rooms afaik, i think they have to be approved and basically have to be isolated and well sealed rooms which is why hardly anywhere will have them
With very good ventilation too. My smoking friends wouldn't mind that at all, going to another room for a smoke, and it wouldn't bother me that they'd have to pop in there, at least they're still "around". Though I guess it does bring up some segregation which is less fun.
I'd welcome the ban purely for the health and smell reasons, but I hardly go out to pubs and clubs anymore so it doesn't really affect me, and it never really bothered me that much anyway. The only issue I ever had with smoking was in restaurants, but that's it.
All we need is the more sick social habit of drinking to be banned in pubs too and we can totally be rid of pubs once and for all, we can call them diet coke bars or something. Drinking affects everyone, from drink drivers killing hundreds of innocent people on our roads every year, to drunken idiots beating innocent people up just because they looked at them the wrong way. A smoker isn't going to start a fight after one too many Marlboros now is he?
I hope for a ban on drinking in the near future, vive la revolution!
Drinking affects everyone, from drink drivers killing hundreds of innocent people on our roads every year, to drunken idiots beating innocent people up just because they looked at them the wrong way. A smoker isn't going to start a fight after one too many Marlboros now is he?I hope for a ban on drinking in the near future, vive la revolution!
Pixel said:All we need is the more sick social habit of drinking to be banned in pubs too and we can totally be rid of pubs once and for all, we can call them diet coke bars or something.
When someone who has been drinking does any of those things they are already breaking the law (the law's there to protect other people). In the case of smokers there was no protection for other people (in particular those who work in the bars/clubs) being exposed to second hand smoke.
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Using this example, this is down to educating people then, why do people have to follow like sheep if they value their helth so much, so insted of people being individual's they ban smoking outright, because people dont have a mind of their own......Chronos-X said:Theres a wider antisocial aspect of this (much in the same way as we have smoking and non smoking pubs - the smokers go to their pubs and their non smoking mates are forced to follow).
Only a total ban can stop this
I welcome a ban where food is being served, i smoke, but i dont smoke where there is food being served, never have and when i book a table somwhere its always a non-smoking table i book.
Soon all you binge drinkers will have advert's on your pint saying drinking is bad for you, then they will start putting prices up, then they will start banning it, bring it on i say, i would welcome it
I would like to go for a game of pool or a nightclub without coming home stinking of alcahol, or having some nit-twit tip a drink on me because they cant stand up through drinking to much booze. Most street fights start over to much alcahol being consumed, thats reason enough for me to warrent banning alcahol.
Also, all this banning of smoking, will cut down on the people smoking in general (which is good), but this will lead to less tax being collected by the government, so tax will increse on other things that non-smokers use, LOL
im not a smoker, and i hate being around smokers yet still i make a personal decision to go out and hang around in pubs and clubs etc.
I admit it'll be nice to do so without the smoke but this whole thing worries me greatly, this is the government telling us we cant do something and taking away a small piece of liberty... I'd rather smell of smoke than have a small piece of personal freedom taken away, whether it be for me or for others....
This first then what? Obese people arnt allowed to eat fatty foods? Its one thing to give out recommendations, its another totally to outright ban something and make it illegal.
1984 anyone....
I admit it'll be nice to do so without the smoke but this whole thing worries me greatly, this is the government telling us we cant do something and taking away a small piece of liberty... I'd rather smell of smoke than have a small piece of personal freedom taken away, whether it be for me or for others....
This first then what? Obese people arnt allowed to eat fatty foods? Its one thing to give out recommendations, its another totally to outright ban something and make it illegal.
1984 anyone....
VIRII said:
The problem with that, though, is that it is rare to find a group of friends who are entirely non-smoking. A lot of people will "put up with it" because they don't want to be left out, and the smokers refuse to go somewhere they can't smoke
.I can't wait to see what going out in Scotland is like now with the ban in place. It should be great not having to wear jeans/jackets/jumpers once before having to wash them due to the smoke from being out.
im a smoker hate the idea of the ban really do but i understand why the ban is going to happen, i made a choice to smoke other people breathing my 2nd hand smoke dont.
Just wish they would ban fags alltogether but goverment make too much money off it even tho they waste so much money on nhs with smoking related deseases. Goes to show how messed up goverment really is.
Just wish they would ban fags alltogether but goverment make too much money off it even tho they waste so much money on nhs with smoking related deseases. Goes to show how messed up goverment really is.