'Snooper's Charter' law being rushed through.

Monkeynut said:
This is what scares me.

In this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28237111

Mr Cameron said: "We face real and credible threats to our security from serious and organised crime, from the activity of paedophiles, from the collapse of Syria, the growth of Isis in Iraq and al Shabab in East Africa.

"I am simply not prepared to be a prime minister who has to address the people after a terrorist incident and explain that I could have done more to prevent it."

He added: "I want to be very clear that we are not introducing new powers or capabilities - that is not for this Parliament.

Emphasis mine.

So basically, after 2015, no matter who gets in, more of this.
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I don't think that was his point. If he did he would have said government. As he said Parliament I think he meant it should be up to the court of human rights or the supreme court.
 
I wonder if data might be mined for anyone visiting pirating sites and given(sold) to the various rights holders.

There's potential abuse here just like with the "porn blocking" now being extended to cover the vast majority of the web(or at least appears that way).
 
estebanrey said:
You're forgetting the fact that in an independent UK we can vote out a government that puts security over freedom.

We have very little say in what the EU decides to pass as law over us.

It's like swapping a dictator with democracy on the short-term basis that you agree with the former and dislike the latter.
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I think he is more forgetting the fact that quite a few European nations are as bad or worse than the UK. Especially if based on Napoloeonic rather than common law systems as they tend to be more perscriptive, for common law generally anything that is not prohibited is allowed.
 
ethan said:
We need to pool our resources and advise on the best way of avoiding being snooped on. Maybe an internet privacy/security forum?
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The only problem with recommending a service/protocol is that when/if it gets popular it will become the priority for cracking.

Do we even know if anything is secure? I imagine protocols are only secure until they become worth attacking with everything you have.

(Based on the tin foil hat wearers predictions of just how much compute power the TLA agencies have)
 
Monkeynut said:
This is what scares me.

In this link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28237111

Mr Cameron said: "We face real and credible threats to our security from serious and organised crime, from the activity of paedophiles, from the collapse of Syria, the growth of Isis in Iraq and al Shabab in East Africa.

"I am simply not prepared to be a prime minister who has to address the people after a terrorist incident and explain that I could have done more to prevent it."

He added: "I want to be very clear that we are not introducing new powers or capabilities - that is not for this Parliament.

Emphasis mine.

So basically, after 2015, no matter who gets in, more of this.
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You can not make speeches like that up can you..

The same terrorist who the government have been supporting...

The same paedophiles the government have destroyed all files of...
 
Indeed £300m given to rebels in Syria while cutting away at the NHS and undermining the UK public by letting in half of Arabia and Africa. And now when the mongrels wont integrate and try to blow us all up, We have to give up our basic rights and freedoms.


It is enough to make my head go *pop* in a fit of rage. It has to be a joke there is no way this is happening or serious they are going to know every little bit of info on everyone soon. CCTV everywhere i do not want to live in a world like that. The goverment or no one else has authority over any man to snoop on him unless they managed to get all thier parents to sign a disclosure document stating that we all belong to the state. Which would be bs because the state is the people.
 
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Rofflay said:
Indeed £300m given to rebels in Syria while cutting away at the NHS and undermining the UK public by letting in half of Arabia and Africa. And now when the mongrels wont integrate and try to blow us all up, We have to give up our basic rights and freedoms.


It is enough to make my head go *pop* in a fit of rage. It has to be a joke there is no way this is happening or serious they are going to know every little bit of info on everyone soon. CCTV everywhere i do not want to live in a world like that. The goverment or no one else has authority over any man to snoop on him unless they managed to get all thier parents to sign a disclosure document stating that we all belong to the state. Which would be bs because the state is the people.
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:D you know I agree with most of that but it's got to the point I wonder if I'm wrong for feeling that way. So many seem to be all for it yet I cannot grasp why.
 
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Take out my yellows i was not sure what to type. But yes there are people who are probably for it and are stupid enough. This is why people are kept busy busy busy and on the breadline. As Icke said shh dont look at that, Look at this! Dancing on Ice wahaeey!


TY for the edit :)
 
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sven256 said:
You can not make speeches like that up can you..

The same terrorist who the government have been supporting...

The same paedophiles the government have destroyed all files of...
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Wrong on both counts. The government supports the Free Syrian Army who have been fighting ISIS (and Assad). It's not the same government that destroyed the paedo-dossier, it was the government from 30 years ago.

Posts like this are why I'm against the ultra-liberal, freedom at all costs agenda. In general the public are far too thick to be just allowed to do whatever they want.
 
Someone gets shot in Tottenham a and the country riots. The government can spy on you without consent and nothing happens.

What's happened to the public? Its like I have always said, no one cares anymore, they just want their shiny new car and materialistic items to keep up with the Jones'. Spineless cowards, giving up their freedom for a bigger more controlling government that acts like a mother to everyone.
 
LateX'Dog said:
Someone gets shot in Tottenham a and the country riots. The government can spy on you without consent and nothing happens.

What's happened to the public? Its like I have always said, no one cares anymore, they just want their shiny new car and materialistic items to keep up with the Jones'. Spineless cowards, giving up their freedom for a bigger more controlling government that acts like a mother to everyone.
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That's because someone getting killed (even if he was a criminal scumbag) is a bigger deal than the government keeping a record of Michelle, 23, Nottinghamshire Liking a picture of a baby on facebook.
 
Please use https://www.writetothem.com to voice your concern to your MP/MSP/MEP.

It is my obligation as your constituent to voice my displeasure and opposition to the planned 'fast-tracking' of the Data Retention and Investigation Powers Bill.

The UK government has had since April to prepare an adequate response to the European Court of Justice's decision to strike down the EU directive regarding data retention by mobile and internet service providers. Rushing through such legislation under the auspices of national security and the threat of terrorism only serves to disenfranchise the British public, and further exemplifies the British government's oversight regarding an individual's right to privacy. The fast-tracking of this bill also sets a dangerous precedent that the government can re-introduce legislation on a whim, regardless of the ECJ's rulings.

There is no national emergency, and as such any 'emergency' legislation should be treated as would any other bill. Any future laws on the subject on surveillance should fully comply with the ECJ's recent ruling that blanket data (and metadata) retention is an infringement to the human rights of an EU citizen.

Once again, I must firmly disagree with any attempt by the British government to 'fast-track' this important piece of legislation. This bill should be properly and thoroughly debated by parliament, and MPs allowed to fully research the letter of the law, in order to make an informed decision on behalf of their constituents, and one that also fully complies with EU policy.
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Source: Reddit
 
scorza said:
Wrong on both counts. The government supports the Free Syrian Army who have been fighting ISIS (and Assad). It's not the same government that destroyed the paedo-dossier, it was the government from 30 years ago.

Posts like this are why I'm against the ultra-liberal, freedom at all costs agenda. In general the public are far too thick to be just allowed to do whatever they want.
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FSA are a con it would not suprise me if Baghdadi has control over them just to funnel the weapons we can clearly see on youtube being used by Isis not FSA. FSA is a sham who are they fighting and why? Assad? He has the support of the last remaining Christians in the levant, And most of the minorities. The only people here with beef is the Sunni and guess who is in charge of these moderates?


The ex chief of the Saudi intelligence service who left at a personal request of the King to setup a force to overthrow Assad. So there you go that's who Cameron and the cronies are supporting to diverting funds too. Saudi Arabia's little puppet army to make the Sunni the number one group again as if you look around clearly the Sunni cannot stand being a minority anywhere.
 
LateX'Dog said:
In your opinion.
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Would you rather be shot or have your internet records kept? Whilst preferring not to have either I know which one I would say is worse!:D

The law does need to change to keep up with the changes in technology, however a rushed law, agreed without debate is not the right way of doing it.
 
LateX'Dog said:
Someone gets shot in Tottenham a and the country riots. The government can spy on you without consent and nothing happens.

What's happened to the public? Its like I have always said, no one cares anymore, they just want their shiny new car and materialistic items to keep up with the Jones'. Spineless cowards, giving up their freedom for a bigger more controlling government that acts like a mother to everyone.
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Most people plainly don't care. I don't, let them spy on me. If they catch a few criminals along the way, great. I'm honestly not bothered if some civil service oik knows I like to look at **** and fannies.

Just because one person might have some creepy secret they want kept hidden or pretends to believe in the right to privacy (as I believe people only pretend to want this right to show off about how rad they are) doesn't mean everyone else should.
 
Frightful Boar said:
Most people plainly don't care. I don't, let them spy on me. If they catch a few criminals along the way, great. I'm honestly not bothered if some civil service oik knows I like to look at **** and fannies.

Just because one person might have some creepy secret they want kept hidden or pretends to believe in the right to privacy (as I believe people only pretend to want this right to show off about how rad they are) doesn't mean everyone else should.
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And of course, snooping on everyone because 1 person might be doing something naughty is justified?
 
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