So how good is Messi?

Messi is only 22 (my age). He is incredible.

However lets not forget THE Ronaldo, who was undoubtedly the best striker for some years.

Messi, should he keep going for a few seasons will go down in the all time greats, however should he do a Ronaldinho and taper out, it would not only be a sad loss for the game but also testimony to how hard it is to be the best in this game for a long, long time.
 
Messi will get an injury soon (with the number of people kicking him it's inevitable) and struggle to recover, letting the money and fame get to his head. I predict that in four years he'll be another drug-addled cabron with an enormous beer belly.

It's the South American way.

However at the moment, he's clearly the best.
I think you are mistaking him with his country's manager lol;)
 
I have to say that Messi is by far the best player I've ever seen live, in terms of both sheer wow factor and how he is able to change games. And it isn't just goals. He presses more than any forward I've seen (except maybe the criminally underrated Eto'o) and he passes the ball almost as well as Iniesta. For those of you who don't watch Barca every week, his real strength is that he can be a danger from just about anywhere on the pitch: he can pick up the ball deep where he can develop play with the midfield, he can prowl outside the box (as in his second at the Nou Camp), he can attack from the wing, and he has the pace to break past defenders. At the Emirates, he had more completed passes than any Arsenal player (no, I didn't look up the stat, but that's what Sid Lowe said).

My criticisms of him are minor, and in a way, compliments:
He doesn't pass the ball long as well as, say, Xabi Alonso. Though I have seen him spread play effectively by coming inside and playing 40+ yard passes to Abidal/Maxwell on the opposite flank.
His heading is surprisingly good, but I've seen the ball whizz inches over his head simply because he was too short to get it.
His set plays are not quite as strong as the rest of his game. True, he has scored some freekicks, but largely through trickery rather than sheer brilliance. In this respect he's some way behind Maradona, Ronaldinho, and even Henry.
Finally, while he can change games leading by example, he can't take his team by the scruff of the neck in the same way Maradona and Zidane did. He's not a big talker, not a natural leader in the sense that Keane, Puyol, and Cruijff could be.

No player is complete, though, and what we see in Messi is something truly special. Even if he retired tomorrow, he'd still go down as one of the most talented players in history. At the moment he's the spice in a very, very good Barcelona team.
 
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BBC.co.uk

Brazilian legend Pele, often considered the best player in football history, has offered a retort to those hailing Barcelona forward Lionel Messi as the greatest star to have played the game. The three-time World Cup winner says people should only start drawing comparisons when Messi has equalled his goal tally of over 1,000 career goals. The Argentine took his senior career tally to 133 goals, which includes 42 this season for club and country, with a goal against Real Madrid on Saturday.

Got to love Pele. :D
 
Skim read the thead and can't believe no ones mentioned this yet, I'm sure I'm gonna kick up a stink by bringing it up... relativity? Sure Maradona and Pele and whoever were the best players ever... in their time. Football's come a long way in 20 years, tactics are drilled in harder and rewritten for every team, players analyse their opponents, are fitter, and train longer and harder for every scenario. These "best footballers ever" were so good because everyone else was crap. I reckon if the classic greats in their element came up against even a mediocre team today theyd get pooped on.
 
Skim read the thead and can't believe no ones mentioned this yet, I'm sure I'm gonna kick up a stink by bringing it up... relativity? Sure Maradona and Pele and whoever were the best players ever... in their time. Football's come a long way in 20 years, tactics are drilled in harder and rewritten for every team, players analyse their opponents, are fitter, and train longer and harder for every scenario. These "best footballers ever" were so good because everyone else was crap. I reckon if the classic greats in their element came up against even a mediocre team today theyd get pooped on.

to counter that (although Im not disagreeing with you) the best players adapt to the situation better than average ones

so because the players they are against adapt and change, so do the Pele's and Maradona's

The Pele quote did make me laugh though - and I agree to some extent
 
Pele is hilarious, didn't he say El Hadj Diouf was in the top 100 players in the world once?

LOL i think he did...must be all those penile dysfunction ads that he was doing in the past thats affected his brain:p.

Im sure if Messi was playing back in Pele's day then he would have easily surpassed Peles record.
 
Skim read the thead and can't believe no ones mentioned this yet, I'm sure I'm gonna kick up a stink by bringing it up... relativity? Sure Maradona and Pele and whoever were the best players ever... in their time. Football's come a long way in 20 years, tactics are drilled in harder and rewritten for every team, players analyse their opponents, are fitter, and train longer and harder for every scenario. These "best footballers ever" were so good because everyone else was crap. I reckon if the classic greats in their element came up against even a mediocre team today theyd get pooped on.

Agree entirely.

Messi is the best football player in the modern game, ever.

Ronaldo is quite different but he is inconsistent (unlike at Man Utd), but I wouldn't say he is far behind on a good day.
 
didnt pele get most his goals in an inferior brazilian league?

also where does everyone think messi's best position is? he is being pushed into a cf role but i think he is best coming in from the right wing.
 
didnt pele get most his goals in an inferior brazilian league?

also where does everyone think messi's best position is? he is being pushed into a cf role but i think he is best coming in from the right wing.

As far as I am aware Messi is given full freedom when it comes to attacking, he can play wherever he chooses.
 
Messi is the best player I have seen in my lifetime, hands down. He is better than Ronaldo, Ronaldihno, C.Ronaldo, and better than any such modern comparison.

However to be considered a true great I think he needs an inspiring World Cup. Not necessarily this year but at somepoint in his hopefully long career. The true greats of the game like Pele, Cruijff and Maradona all inspired their nations to victories or finals on the biggest stage. To go down in history like these players I think Messi must almost certainly do the same.
 
edit: what did wenger say?!

"“Messi's like a PlayStation."

Hehe, yeah. :cool:

To add something of my own opinion to the thread, I think that Messi is an exceptional club player no doubt and he will go down in history as one of Barcelona's greatest players, but if he wants to be remembered as one of the worlds best players then he has to do something for his country just like Maradona almost single handedly winning the 1986 World Cup for Argentina.
 
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He's an insanely good player. Barca wouldn't have come close to winning the league this season if it weren't for Messi. He is without a doubt the best player in the world, and I would agree with people in saying he is better than Zidane, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, C.Ronaldo etc. However, he does need a good World Cup or two to stake his claim as one of the greatest players ever.
 
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