so if ati cant really match the ultra...

Richdog · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:49

Gerard said:
Why is everyone going on like ati are doomed? They had a bad release...big deal, last i checked intel amd and nvidia have all suffered from crappy products and are all still here.

To be fair though NV's last bad set of releases as far as high-end goes was the FX series... whereas ATI have been on a downwards slump (barring my beloved X1900XTX) for a long time now. They're not doing well, and R600 was hrped up to be the biggest thing since sliced bread that butters itself... but failed to deliver. It's hard to see how they can turn the next R6XX into a monster in time for the next high-end 1 teraflop NV part later this year/early next year...

Richdog · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:52

the_champ_101 said:
Suspended? I was still posting using other accounts, funny no one noticed p.

Now you will be banned for admitting that...

killer_uk · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:54

Richdog said:
Now you will be banned for admitting that...

Thanks for quoting it. Cya 'champ' and your other accounts

LoadsaMoney · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:55

Oh dear, quoted before edited.

Tom|Nbk · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:55

killer_uk said:
Thanks for quoting it. Cya 'champ' and your other accounts

Oh dear nice one Richdog.

Shall we all wave him off.

Gerard · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:57

Richdog said:
To be fair though NV's last bad set of releases as far as high-end goes was the FX series... whereas ATI have been on a downwards slump (barring my beloved X1900XTX) for a long time now. They're not doing well, and R600 was hrped up to be the biggest thing since sliced bread that butters itself... but failed to deliver. It's hard to see how they can turn the next R6XX into a monster in time for the next high-end 1 teraflop NV part later this year/early next year...

I dont see how theyve been in a slump. The x1800 was late but still was as fast as the 7800gtx and faster with newer drivers. The x1900 series was released on time and it was a similar story with that. The r600 was massively delayed with tons of hype..but that hype was mainly generated by expectations from people and not as much by what ati were saying about the card. :confused:

helmutcheese · 30 Jun 2007 at 16:59

I do not agree with name calling unless provoked as I can get heated too, but this new ATI range does seem like the Nvidia 5000 series which I skipped completely, never the less some here who will still stand by it and thats fair enough by me, but I dont see any magic driver fixing the lack of perfomance and fact that it will be so great in DX10 when it aint in DX9, it would be vice versa if anything.

I really could only rec the 8800 320 and 640 to that price range of users at this moment in time.

Richdog · 30 Jun 2007 at 17:01

Gerard said:
I dont see how theyve been in a slump. The x1800 was late but still was as fast as the 7800gtx and faster with newer drivers. The x1900 series was released on time and it was a similar story with that. The r600 was massively delayed with tons of hype..but that hype was mainly generated by expectations from people and not as much by what ati were saying about the card.

Well i'd argue that ATI did hype the card... but as with any late release hype then turns into a weapon of destruction as ATI could never deliver against expectations on this gen. Te delays they are experiencing bringing cards to the table 6 months after NV only to offer at best equal performance is a pretty damn bad sign for any company.

Don't get ne wrong I love ATI as much as I love NV... but you just can't ignore what evidence is pushed in front of your face. I'll be VERY surprised if ATI's next part outdoes it's NV equivalent... and even more surprised if NV haven't already had it out a good few months by then.

Jono8 · 30 Jun 2007 at 17:03

helmutcheese said:
I do not agree with name calling unless provoked as I can get heated too, but this new ATI range does seem like the Nvidia 5000 series which I skipped completely, never the less some here who will still stand by it and thats fair enough by me, but I dont see any magic driver fixing the lack of perfomance and fact that it will be so great in DX10 when it aint in DX9, it would be vice versa if anything.

I really could only rec the 8800 320 and 640 to that price range of users at this moment in time.

yeh me too, its more matured and doesnt seem to have as many problems as the 2900xt. Sure the 2900xt may outperfrom the gts in some benchmarks but then it completely tanks it in others and with features like AA e.t.c. I ahve no doubt things can only get better for the 2900xt but lets face it, nvidia have the better cards this generation.

Gerard · 30 Jun 2007 at 17:05

Have to agree that ati has a rather annoying ability to rarely exectute on time.

Anytime they go to a new core all you hear is delay, but when they just tweak an existing core and release as a refresh its normally on time (hardly suprising). After this r600 fiasco they really need to pull a rabbit out of the hat, i used to like reading reviews of new cards that were released on the same day or only had a week or so gap between them. That rarely hapens these days.

They really need to get the thumb out, don't think anyone can disagree with that.

eracer2006 · 30 Jun 2007 at 17:19

the_champ_101 said:
If next year ATI has the upper hand then I wouldn't hesitate to go back.
But what I find funny is how the ATI/AMD fanboys continue to insist the 2900XT
is still a GTX challenger, look Tom|No|Brain|Kid just face it the R600 is not a good series, stop wasting your time on keep defending it and get a GTX or something.

Err why are you singling him out, he hasnt even posted!

Firstly he gave us most of the info on the R600, and then did accept "defeat"

Someones hardly going to be nvidia biased when they work with the ati beta team.

I see far too many other people picking on people because of what gfx they have that deserve to be banned *cough* cyber-mav *cough*

ergonomics · 30 Jun 2007 at 17:34

hello at work here (work...on saturday night...)

its interesting seeing the responses from you people.

although i can forsee in a few years ati releasing a top card, and we will be thinking the other way around about nvidia

HighlandeR · 30 Jun 2007 at 19:59

Not like its over for ATI, this is just another generation and in a few months time it all starts all over again.

Jono8 · 30 Jun 2007 at 20:00

yeh, im jsyt going to put it down to ati having a duff generation. I mean if next years top card is an ATI i won't hesitate to buy it.

mrthingyx · 30 Jun 2007 at 20:26

Before the release of the Ultra, the 2900XT actually held the highest 3Dmark2k6 score on the Orb.

No idea what that card would have done in real world gaming, however...

oweneades · 30 Jun 2007 at 20:56

mrthingyx said:
Before the release of the Ultra, the 2900XT actually held the highest 3Dmark2k6 score on the Orb.

No idea what that card would have done in real world gaming, however...

The HD2900xt as with previous generation ATI cards seem to do really well in the synthetic benchmarks but unlike previous generation ATI cards not quite so well as their nvidia counterparts in real world gameplay. There are of course times when it shines however as a whole the nvidia cards at the moment are better from an all round package point of view.

mrthingyx · 30 Jun 2007 at 23:21

Neither card seems to be doing particularly well in DX10-class benchmarks (from what I've read - I could be reading different stuff to everybody here...) so none would strike me as particularly good value as a long-term investment. For DX9, there is no question, however.

fornowagain · 30 Jun 2007 at 23:37

mrthingyx said:
Before the release of the Ultra, the 2900XT actually held the highest 3Dmark2k6 score on the Orb.

With dual cards.

I've yet to see a single XT score like Hipro5's GTX.

jaykay · 1 Jul 2007 at 09:32

Yer with dual cards the 2900xt hold the 3dmark05 record.
But single cards the ultra has it.

Squakingcow · 1 Jul 2007 at 12:32

jaykay said:
Yer with dual cards the 2900xt hold the 3dmark05 record.
But single cards the ultra has it.

At one point the XT had the single card record when [url="http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=144198]Kinc OC'ed one and got 30092[/url] but I don't think that it coould be subbmited

Still interesting though where on benchmarks with no aa, such as 3dmarks it's a real competitor to the Ultra/ GTX but in games it's competitor is the GTS.....