So is Sir Wiggo a cheat then?

Top level athletics seems as much about competition between doctors and pharmaceutical companies as between the competitors these days. I think the boundaries are pushed too far, and it brings disrepute to modern competitions. I can't say much more as my nephew is the Sky doctor in question <LOL>
 
I always wondered when performance enhancing drugs actually became an issue.

The original Greek professional Olympians would have had no problem at all and indeed used narcotics widely to gain an advantage (Particularly pain killers)

Even in the 19th, early 20th century I done think it was considered an issue. Long distance runners were routinely topped up with Brandy during their races for instance (Though I cannot think that this would have helped much :p). Since pretty much everybody was permanently stoned in the 19th century anyway I have no doubt that other narcotic use such as cocaine was pretty routine.

Then all of the sudden everything changed.

I can think of some reasons for doing so, but the level playing field thing doesn't really wash.

Why is it any more unfair to use steroids than it is to use a specially designed and built ultra-light graphine bicycle?

Or fancy trainers?

Or training at altitude?

Or whatever?

because it leads to a race of designer drugs and pushing ever more dangerous doping, people will die form it, and more over it sets a precedent that it is OK for the amateur to do that.

Every body can buy expensive trainers and run them without significant health risks. Taking some cocktail of untested drugs could have lethal consequences
 
Having read various books that spoke to doctors etc that were involved with teams in many Tour de France’s etc cycling and athletics are probably the two most corrupt cheating sports around. Cyclists are involved in all sorts and they even do blood transfusions etc to restore oxygen in the blood cells or something along the lines of that. They are all cheating to some extent Wiggo and Froome included.
 
Cycling is a write off, drugs wise. They are always ahead of the legislation and enforcement, and know all the loopholes. Sadly, it will never be clean.
You might as well just set them a max drugs budget and just see who can make the most efficient cocktail.

The riders in question may not have "cheated" as they can say they have not broken the rules. However, give a sports person an advantage, that is within the rules, they will take it. I suspect riders/teams can pay doctors for TUEs, and they will probably even be on the payroll to ensure they give all "help" that is needed, and are willing to say it was/is required for therapeutic use when questioned.

Only if you can prove that is the case, will they ever been proven to have cheated.

Mo Farah.... I have heard rumors from people who knew/competed and trained with him when he was not so famous, and they also have their doubts his rise was 100% legitimate.
 
If everybody is cheating, then surely it's equal for all ?

And it doesn't take away from the fact that these athletes drugs or no drugs are pushing their bodies to the absolute limits to compete, it's not like you could give random Joe off the street the same drugs and expect him to win a marathon or the Tour De France

Not saying it's right but all the drugs do is give a slight edge over non drug use, ultimately an athlete is limited by the capability of their body not the efficiency of a drug
 
Any sport where drug taking was officially accepted/promoted would become toxic to sponsors, so the money would drop off....

Athletes can also not be trusted to look after their own well-being, and would push and push if they knew there were no tests to pass. Someone would die quickly.
 
I haven't really followed the story much. But as I understand it he was using a drug which is permitted. Therefore he's not a cheat.
This pretty much sums it up, the whole story is just a load of tripe.

Caffeine is also a drug that's permitted but you don't see the newspapers going after footballers who drink Lucozade, the press and the MPs who branded him a cheat should be ashamed of themselves.
 
Any sport where drug taking was officially accepted/promoted would become toxic to sponsors, so the money would drop off....

Athletes can also not be trusted to look after their own well-being, and would push and push if they knew there were no tests to pass. Someone would die quickly.

Tommy Simpson died on the slopes on Mount Ventoux in July 1967, riding on drugs and alcohol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson#Death
 
Meh. This topic is a minefield. Easy to slip up. You could be unlucky in that something got into you (medication or whatever) or could be trying to evade the system and same end result.
An excellent example of this was back at the start of 2016, tennis ace Maria Sharapova tested positive for a non-performance enhancing prescription drug which had been banned a fortnight before. The levels showed she had taken it before the ban, and it later came out that the ITA had failed to send her notification it was being banned (they misnamed it on the generic list they sent her team of all drugs that were being banned in that wave).

I mean how do you even rule on a mess like that (for the record she was given a two year ban, reduced to 15 months on appeal).
 
I haven't really followed the story much. But as I understand it he was using a drug which is permitted. Therefore he's not a cheat.

Clenbuterol is only allowed for those with asthma. If the asthma diagnosis is correct then he isn't a cheat. Team Sky could arrange a dodgy diagnosis if they wanted. He needs an independent medical opinion of his condition. On the other hand, doctors sometimes disagree... it's so complex.

If you allow therapeutic use and then all the winners end up with asthma and TUEs, surely something is wrong.
 
Clenbuterol is only allowed for those with asthma. If the asthma diagnosis is correct then he isn't a cheat. Team Sky could arrange a dodgy diagnosis if they wanted. He needs an independent medical opinion of his condition. On the other hand, doctors sometimes disagree... it's so complex.

If you allow therapeutic use and then all the winners end up with asthma and TUEs, surely something is wrong.

I was watching an interview with a doctor when all the Sky/Wiggins thing first hit the news. The doctor stated that if Wiggins asthma was bad enough that he had to be prescribed Clenbuterol, then he would absolutely have been in no condition to take a brisk walk let alone ride a cycle race.
If that medically is true, then clearly Wiggins is a cheat and knew full well what he was doing and so did the Sky team
 
It’s a **** world where nothing and no one has any credibility.

He didn’t break any rules but I still think it’s abusing a drug to gain an advantage.

Personally I don’t like him. He comes across as a bit of a **** with a massive ego. He deserves all the mud that’s thrown at him.
 
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imo they are all at it but hey its pro cycling so hey ho par for the course. I would even moot the point that most of pro athletes are on the edge of cheating ie illegal stuff but they have a team of people who monitor everything and make sure he/she is legit in the eyes of the "law" but to you or me they would just be exploiting the ****** system.

Its allllllllllll a farce anyway. Paralympics as well is all fubared imo the disability reclassifiction because of messed up original classification just beggars belief.

Athletics with mr bolty and mo farah as well...clean? hahah no way in hell. MR castor semenya as well what a ******* farce ....muppets running this entire **** show.

Also google UFC and transgender competitors hahaha

i dont think there is any sport which is thought of as mostly clean and honourable...there is none....

But who cares? its entertainment value aint it?
 
Wiggins has asthma. He took asthma medication which was authorised by the relevant sporting authorities.

What exactly is the problem?
 
Wiggins has asthma. He took asthma medication which was authorised by the relevant sporting authorities.
What exactly is the problem?

The doctor stated that if Wiggins asthma was bad enough that he had to be prescribed Clenbuterol, then he would absolutely have been in no condition to take a brisk walk let alone ride a cycle race.

It's not black and white.
 
I think people need to accept that basically ALL professional sports are built on the back of PEDs. Athletes and their coaches or doctors will be finding every loophole to gain an advantage.

PEDs will always be the dirty little secret of professional sports. All that we can and should be doing is stop putting these people up on a pedestal.
 
Performing artists are known to take beta blockers to control their blood pressure when they sing, I wouldn't be surprised if snooker or darts players were doing something similar.

Professional sport is great to watch but please don't dress these people up as saints. They aren't
 
Wiggins has asthma. He took asthma medication which was authorised by the relevant sporting authorities.

What exactly is the problem?

the problem is (potentially) abusing these medical exemptions and taking things when they're not really needed and also happen to have a nice side effect that may give him an advantage

there was an anti-inflammatory drug he took too wasn't there?
 
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