So, what is this going to achieve then?

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They absolutely are. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

White people are aggressively and constantly made to feel guilty about their entire existence for things done by white people centuries before.

White people are shamed for having 'privilege' and told that they deserve nothing they have accomplished, even if they have grown up in poverty and squalor.

White people are told they cannot celebrate or be proud of their history and heritage.

White people are told they are bland, boring and have no culture of their own because they have stolen everything.

White people are told they must stop having children because it is selfish, but they must also support opening the borders of majority white nations to the third world whilst no other majority POC country across the world is forced to do the same.

White people are called racist for not having a crippling sense of self-loathing and guilt simply for being white.

And then, after all this, they are told that it is impossible for any race to be racist against them which opens them up to constant abuse and discrimination online, perpetuated by the media and social media companies.

But yes, everything's cool.
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Nope sorry I must have missed all of that as i dont feel any of that.

On the other hand I do know people who are spitting feathers and they are refusing to ever kneel to a black person and that their "whiteness" is under threat. Personally I just think they are missing the point.
 
Nasher said:
CVs go in the bin for lots of reasons. Usually when people lack experience or it's written badly.

Where I work the people sorting CVs don't even get to see names or gender. The application is filled out online and those aren't asked.

Some employers may chuck CVs of black people or women in the bin, because they see the news and don't want to have to deal with that kind of hassle themselves.
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So you are saying some employers are chucking away black peoples CVs not because they are racist but they perceive a black person working for them will be more "hassle" and ergo are being racist? :rolleyes:
 
Greebo said:
Nope sorry I must have missed all of that as i dont feel any of that.
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Its not about what you feel, he's summarising some of the dodgy beliefs of the promoters of critical race theory... this is becoming more mainstream now and potentially coming to a workplace near you in the form of diversity training. It's already being promoted across social media with woke people promoting lists of books you're supposed to read in order to not be racist (or to be "anti racist"). Scratch the surface on this stuff and it's full of pretty awful ideas, contradictions and is very illiberal.
 
Nasher said:
What?

Everyone in the UK gets the same basic education. The rest is up to them.
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Schooling quality varies up and down the country but that's another discussion. I will add that a lot of young BAME wonder what's the point in being educated when the whole system is setup to see them fail. You only have to read posts around these that talk of 'hassle'.
 
bloodiedathame said:
And CVs of blacks and people of colour are put in the bin at many firms, because of 'unusual' names. Re-addressing this wrong is a good thing.
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TBH any kind of "funny" (which is always relative) name tends to get an odd reaction - we had someone apply at work with a mix of French and German origin names and a double-barrelled surname which raised some eye brows and unfortunately it tends to immediately go against people for some reason even when it isn't directly racial.

Likewise though you get people like someone I know whose first name is Jamaal but uses Jack as they get far more responses when looking for work.
 
Nitefly said:
There is a short Dave Chapelle special on YouTube called 8:46 dealing with, in part, the Black Lives Matter movement. It’s pretty good and will probably evoke some sympathy in even the steeliest of critics of the movement.

Yeah, it does sound pretty darn ****ed up in the US when info is set out as he puts it.
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Yea I watched a bit of that, stopped when his tone was a bit apologetic to chris dorner for murdering 4 people though.
 
Johno please? said:
Yea I watched a bit of that, stopped when his tone was a bit apologetic to chris dorner for murdering 4 people though.
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He wasn’t apologetic for him at all? I’m pretty sure he expressly said, at points, it was terrifying and also that he was a lunatic? He was simply making the points that:

1) 400 white cops showed up to kill him. How can so many cops show up to ‘Swiss cheese’ him and then say they don’t understand why so many black people are protesting re: George Floyd.

2) He then used him as an example that several black people have gone on similar cop killings sprees, they are all ex-military and have a twisted rationale for justice, albeit a shared one of ‘protecting what they care for’.
 
cu3ed said:
Wasn't the point of kneel in the US being a big deal is because they play there National Anthem before any kind of event? Hence protesting whilst its being played is a bigger deal.
Shudders, imagine God Save the queens played before everything.
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Yea except their national anthem is badass, ours is gay.
 
Nitefly said:
He wasn’t apologetic for him at all? I’m pretty sure he expressly said, at points, it was terrifying and also that he was a lunatic? He was simply making the points that:

1) 400 white cops showed up to kill him. How can so many cops show up to ‘Swiss cheese’ him and then say they don’t understand why so many black people are protesting re: George Floyd.
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It was more of what he didnt say... 400 white cops? did they? Because Dave chapelle said so? Sounds like BS to me. He also killed himself. so wasnt "swiss cheesed"
 
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A black ex colleague of mine just posted on FB the other day a video of the "far right" chanting "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it!" along with the comment - If you are not against this you are part of the problem!

I was going to point out that this was actually a doctored video with edited audio but frankly I don't feel it's worth the risk currently, as even if he concedes the point it'll look like I in some way support these idiots. There has been so much misinformation that people lap up without question that I'm just staggered by it all.

Frankly I just want to tune out of it all now. I'll only kneel for Zod.
 
Just had an awesome 1h discussion with my progressive sister about this and we are both still very divided :P

Rroff said:
TBH any kind of "funny" (which is always relative) name tends to get an odd reaction - we had someone apply at work with a mix of French and German origin names and a double-barrelled surname which raised some eye brows and unfortunately it tends to immediately go against people for some reason even when it isn't directly racial.

Likewise though you get people like someone I know whose first name is Jamaal but uses Jack as they get far more responses when looking for work.
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I get this daily too. Its just reality until we wipe out all national borders/cultures and all speak CHINESE.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
A black ex colleague of mine just posted on FB the other day a video of the "far right" chanting "We're racist, we're racist and that's the way we like it!" along with the comment - If you are not against this you are part of the problem!

I was going to point out that this was actually a doctored video with edited audio but frankly I don't feel it's worth the risk currently, as even if he concedes the point it'll look like I in some way support these idiots. There has been so much misinformation that people lap up without question that I'm just staggered by it all.
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Social media brainwashing at its finest there, society has definitely got dumber in the last few years. I heard this quote a while back and it couldnt apply more right now.

"don't take refuge in the false security of consensus"

My dad got totally duped by that "cops try to arrest FBI agent" video that was doing the rounds on youtube/social media xD
 
Nitefly said:
All things considered the only way the BLM matters ‘take a knee’ could be linked to monarchy related ‘take a knee’ is through ignorance, because it is so obviously not related it’s painful.

It doesn’t even make sense for it to mean ‘take a knee’ in the monarchy context - were the athletes in question willingly agreeing to submit to their purported oppressors? Of course they were not. It was an act of defiance, not an act of submission!!

I acknowledge the scope for confusion through ignorance, but it’s not even close to being the same.

Ignorance here meaning ‘a lack of knowledge’, rather than anything malicious.
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I wasn't ascertaining the reasoning athletes were taking a knee for BLM. On that matter people have the freedom to do whatever gesture they like for whatever reason if they choose.
 
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bloodiedathame said:
Social media needs switching off, I think we can all agree on that.
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It's turned members of my family into anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists. Bill Gates is trying to chip and track everyone with a vaccine apparently. Don't get me started on 5G.

No matter how much I try and explain that this is BS I can't tear them away from it. I'm just exasperated at how stupid people are becoming. It's even more frustrating when it's people who you love and who you thought were smarter than this!

There really needs to be some serious legislation and action to shut this crap down before it causes even more serious damage IMO.
 
I understand the origin of 'take the knee' and refusing to stand or sing the American national anthem. But I actually agree with Dominic Raab (don't hate - hear me out lol) a little bit - it seems to be a subordinate action in the UK where the person kneeling is looking up to people when we are supposed to be equal. Kneeling for the queen is simply because she's 'more important' and hence above you (I like the Royal Family but they fly completely against the 'every person is born equal'). Kneeling to propose is because you are offering yourself to her. ‍♂️ The BLM is against that so I'm not sure taking the knee is appropriate in the UK. ‍♂️
6 of 1, half a dozen of the other. I can see both sides but they will never truly match.

I copied and pasted my reply to a FB post about Dominic saying about not kneeling so 'therefore not showing respect' according to the ever respectful press. The key here is America therefore a lot doesn't apply in the UK. Look at the grooming gangs of mainly white girls that were going on here for years, because the police wouldn't investigate as it would look racist.
I detest racism or proactive racism. It's racism 100%. Perhaps ethnic minorities are not applying for those types of careers etc because they don't want to? Weird thought I know.... Choice eh.
Sorry, lot of things in there which annoy me lol.
If anyone can offer alternative viewpoints please do. I pull people up on racist comments if I hear them and treat all equal.

I am not my history, so let's learn from it.
 
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