So, what is this going to achieve then?

[G-MAN2004]

White people and their way of life aren't being attacked. So try another argument because that one simply doesn't stick.

They absolutely are. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

White people are aggressively and constantly made to feel guilty about their entire existence for things done by white people centuries before.

White people are shamed for having 'privilege' and told that they deserve nothing they have accomplished, even if they have grown up in poverty and squalor.

White people are told they cannot celebrate or be proud of their history and heritage.

White people are told they are bland, boring and have no culture of their own because they have stolen everything.

White people are told they must stop having children because it is selfish, but they must also support opening the borders of majority white nations to the third world whilst no other majority POC country across the world is forced to do the same.

White people are called racist for not having a crippling sense of self-loathing and guilt simply for being white.

And then, after all this, they are told that it is impossible for any race to be racist against them which opens them up to constant abuse and discrimination online, perpetuated by the media and social media companies.

But yes, everything's cool.

 

[fez]

Is it really a widely held view though?

Sorry, is what a widely held view?

Why does Twitter represent the view of everyone?

It doesn't represent the views of most people at all. Thats part of the problem. Its very nature means thats its a series of bubbles where you generally only hear your own opinion. If you don't think that these platforms mean anything however, have a look at cambridge analytica. These small groups are changing policy. Universities are allowing students to de-platform anyone that they decide doesn't share their "enlightened" views on the world. This is all bad and dismissing these things will not end well.

Who exactly is under attack and by who? Where is it happening? What are you being stopped from doing?

I'm not being stopped from doing anything personally but when people are denied access to things for being the wrong race or gender thats not good whichever way the scales fall. My partner works in the NHS and most of her colleagues are not white and they are still running programs that are targeted at pushing women and people of colour into more senior roles over their white counterparts.

This is why I think we need a bottom up approach not a top down approach.

As I sit here I don't feel like anyone is attacking me nor am I paying much attention to what people are saying on Twitter. Life seems alright, would prefer a bit more sun and a bit less virus though.

You and I aren't the people who feel this way (well, I do feel like white people and especially men are under attack) but I am strong enough not to worry about it.

Thats also not really an argument for something. The economy is going to go to **** in the next year or two but I will be fine. That doesn't mean that the economy isn't ******.

White people and their way of life aren't being attacked. So try another argument because that one simply doesn't stick.

Good argument.

 

[Koalaboy]

White people and their way of life aren't being attacked. So try another argument because that one simply doesn't stick.

So statues (historical artifacts) aren't being removed and language isn't being constrained just because it offends people ?

This is not *all* about racism and equality - some of it is about enforcing a way of thinking on English people that does nothing to actually promote equality.

I am English and married to a Malaysian/Chinese woman who experiences racism. I absolutely believe in equality, but I do not accept that English history and culture needs to change to something that it isn't.

It certainly feels like we're being attacked, so if we're not then the message is not being carried through.

 

[GIBURROWS]

Poor you, how do you sleep at night?

On a bed normally on my side, you?

 

[GIBURROWS]

Congrats on totally missing the point.

There's a point to rioting, destroying statues?

 

[sigma]

They absolutely are. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

White people are aggressively and constantly made to feel guilty about their entire existence for things done by white people centuries before.

White people are shamed for having 'privilege' and told that they deserve nothing they have accomplished, even if they have grown up in poverty and squalor.

White people are told they cannot celebrate or be proud of their history and heritage.

White people are told they are bland, boring and have no culture of their own because they have stolen everything.

White people are told they must stop having children because it is selfish, but they must also support opening the borders of majority white nations to the third world whilst no other majority POC country across the world is forced to do the same.

White people are called racist for not having a crippling sense of self-loathing and guilt simply for being white.

And then, after all this, they are told that it is impossible for any race to be racist against them which opens them up to constant abuse and discrimination online, perpetuated by the media and social media companies.

But yes, everything's cool.

Why aren’t you protesting about all this injustice?

 

[G-MAN2004]

Why aren’t you protesting about all this injustice?

Because I'd be called a racist and have my life ruined.

 

[sigma]

Because I'd be called a racist and have my life ruined.

For championing equality?

 

[fez]

For championing equality?

Have you seriously not noticed that anyone who doesn't just nod their head and say "yes, black lives matter, racism bad" and dares to question the oversimplified narrative is being called a racist or simply attacked because they are white and therefore aren't allowed an opinion unless its the "right" one.

Have you not noticed that something as hateful as suggesting that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete against biological women will get you called transphobic.

 

[sigma]

Sorry, is what a widely held view?

That white men are under attack (the view being white men are evil etc as per G-MAN2004s post). I know a few non-white people, none of them seem to think this about white men/people. I know mixed race couples, do they all hate each other?

Or is it really just BS in the media and also some extremists?

 

[sigma]

Have you seriously not noticed that anyone who doesn't just nod their head and say "yes, black lives matter, racism bad" and dares to question the oversimplified narrative is being called a racist or simply attacked because they are white and therefore aren't allowed an opinion unless its the "right" one.

Have you not noticed that something as hateful as suggesting that trans women shouldn't be allowed to compete against biological women will get you called transphobic.

I don't really pay attention to Twitter or a lot of the media, so no. Life seems alright, well, as I said, apart from lack of sun and too much virus.

 

[fez]

That white men are under attack (the view being white men are evil etc as per G-MAN2004s post). I know a few non-white people, none of them seem to think this about white men/people. I know mixed race couples, do they all hate each other?

Or is it really just BS in the media and also some extremists?

Its very much the media BS and and the far left extremists but that doesn't mean that they are not changing society with their views and actions.

I don't really pay attention to Twitter or a lot of the media, so no. Life seems alright, well, as I said, apart from lack of sun and too much virus.

I mean, if you don't pay attention to social media or the media at large then you wouldn't see an issue!

I've now got an image of you walking out of your front door akin to the opening scene of 28 days later and wondering where all the people have gone when lockdown was announced.

 

[sigma]

I've now got an image of you walking out of your front door akin to the opening scene of 28 days later and wondering where all the people have gone when lockdown was announced.

Actually I bought food before the masses did as I saw comments about it on here

Seriously, step away from reading too much about other people's opinions, it rarely achieves much. In fact I'm going to do the same by logging off

 

[Ahleckz]

Here's some of the poor victimized white men that you are upset about in Glasgow, yesterday.

Why were they there? There was a protest against the forced eviction of asylum seekers so they had to be there to rally against that because we all know that making some of the neediest in our society homeless is a wonderful thing. Couldn't possibly stop that. Oh, and to also "protect statutes".

 

[bloodiedathame]

There's a point to rioting, destroying statues?

Statues that should have been removed a long time ago. Times change.

Because I'd be called a racist and have my life ruined.

On your long list of ********, has any directly affected you or anyone you know or is it completely hypothetical?

So statues (historical artifacts) aren't being removed and language isn't being constrained just because it offends people ?

This doesn't constitute an attack on being white.

This is not *all* about racism and equality - some of it is about enforcing a way of thinking on English people that does nothing to actually promote equality.

Which is absolutely correct, but the point you've failed to see is that changing the way we think absolutely is needed to promote equality. Again this is not an attack.

but I do not accept that English history and culture needs to change to something that it isn't.

It certainly feels like we're being attacked, so if we're not then the message is not being carried through.

People will interpret a message in many different ways, so I'll try and help you with that. 1) No one is trying to change history, as you can't really do that. 2) In terms of a cultural shift, I'm sorry but there really does need to be a global shift to stop black people being unfairly discriminated against. It happens, and it's a vicious cycle. It's what BLM is all about.

 

[CosmicClown]

It really does amaze me peoples skill at ratiocination when it comes to justifying racism against whites.

They have an answer for everything, instead of facing the Truth.

 

[Rroff]

I hate to defend this government in any way but the way people are jumping down Dominic Raab's throat over his largely objective comments about taking the knee is disgusting and not right at all.

 

[dowie]

Still can't quite get my head around the fact that in the second decade of the 21st century people are still bothered about the colour of someones skin. Just crazy.

Most people aren't - which is why all this performative stuff is getting a bit silly...

 

[CosmicClown]

For me, this is where you've missed the point. The fact is being black has a large detriment on your quality of life, opportunities and choices today, in this country. It isn't something that we put behind us, it is something that we need to fix. Be that overt racism, or unperceived bias. It is incumbent on us, the white, power holders, to remove this and give an equal opportunity to those who are white, black, yellow, brown, whatever. For you to say that blacks are no longer treated crap by largely white societies unfortunately shows your ignorance and I'm somewhat surprised. They absolutely are still treated like crap, or at the very least less than whites and it is our responsibility to help change that.

Can tell you've been programmed well at a University with Marxist ideologues

 

[dowie]

For me, this is where you've missed the point. The fact is being black has a large detriment on your quality of life, opportunities and choices today, in this country.

That isn't clear at all tbh.. this gets easily confused by people say noticing a disparity and then making the dubious leap to conclude that the disparity noted is due to skin colour/race - both the woke and racists fall into this trap albeit they attribute rather different reasons (existing beliefs) to the disparity (discrimination/racism or inferiority).