So what's up with this?

Anyone who doesn't have an AV program at least installed (maybe not resident protection) to be able to find the viruses and then says "I never get them" are either stupid, lying, arrogant to the point of stupidity or a mixture of all three. The firewall (zonealarm) helps to stop hackers from implanting a virus, the antivirus detects and removes the virus. Honestly I can't belive anybody can be this stupid!
 
Isnt ZoneAlarm rubbish? I know AVG is, I wouldn't be happy if someone installed this carp on my computer.

I used Windows firewall and Nod32, not that they have anything to do, I haven't had a single virus in over 2 years, they are there though for protection as in 'just in case' better safe than sorry and all that.
 
Isnt ZoneAlarm rubbish? I know AVG is, I wouldn't be happy if someone installed this carp on my computer

Speculation surely? I find AVG to be OK, and it was the first one to pick up on and clean the round of DNS viruses which have been rampaging around our network at work for the last couple of weeks!

Zone Alarm is a bit naff these days I find, more on the argument that even when you allow full access on the whole 192.168.x.x LAN, it still kicks up a fuss running LAN games :confused: So you end up switching it off anyway....
 
Isnt ZoneAlarm rubbish? I know AVG is, I wouldn't be happy if someone installed this carp on my computer.

AVG and ZA are very 2004, I wouldnt touch them but its the principal of it!

I imagine this thread will get locked soon as it is going around in circles and could lead to being abusive towards our good friend Nate.

Personally, (and apparently the opionion of many others) is why would you not run AV, things like Avast are so lightweight and those Intel Atom chips are surprisingly powerful so would run AV without any problems.

I dont think anyone can be that well knowledged on Windows processes and sub systems to manually be able to check for viruses. And for the peice of mind and time that I save not looking through Id rather give up a fraction of my RAM and CPU time to AV.

I imagine you could ask any expert on security expert about the matter and they would say of course you need to, AV, FW and common sense for a combined protection.

The best virus is the one you dont notice!
 
No only a stupid person falls for spam and phishing, see FF blocks a lot of scripts and even tells you if sites are harmfull these days and maybe your one of these dumb people who open e-mails with the subject "Did you get my last message I need to speak to you urgently" from "Barclays"

I'd never suggest that you would fall foul of things such as replying to "peypal sevizes" but that isn't what I said anyway. I implied that a PC running with no protection can quite easily become part of a zombie botnet which will then be used to send these emails; amongst other things.

And no, checking what active services are running isn't enough to detect this.
 
AV can make you get more viruses because if there wasn't any viruses they wouldn't make money (maybe a bit farfetched) and i said i used to use them and i got viruses out of nowhere but since i stopped my pc has been clean.

if you know what your doing then AVs are so 2006 you don't need them anymore for home use. not if your an expereinced user and don't mind formatting.

and even if you do use them fair play but come on AVG AND Zonelarm on an asus eee pc??


Surly thats because you now have no AV telling you there is a virus?

Anyways, your such an experienced user because your solution to a virus is to just format...

I like you, never used AVs, I like you didnt get any virus's, atleast not that I knew off. Everything was fine. I have since changed my ways and use AVs now I wonder why everytime I put a CD with my backed up information from the early days it prompts me about virus's.
Its okay tho, i'll look at what I need to an reformat after wards. Solved!
 
HAI GUISE I DELTEDED MAI ANITIRUS AN I DUN AVE NO VIRUSES COZ NUFFIN IS POPIN UP. MUST BE A OK DEN.

Wait for the next thread...

"My 26 year old dad got a virus what do I do?"
 
Just be argumentative, I dont have any AV installed on my pc either, it's pointless (lol im serious) If you scan files you download/dont go on any dodgey sites/install dodgey programs theres nothing to worry about.
But at the end of the day it's personal choice, and if you feel more safe with an AV then fair enough, but atm it's pointless in my eyes.
And formatting takes a mere 11 minutes, which i haven't done for months now.

Right, come on admit it who made this account up just to take the mic?

Seriously though guys, why is anyone bothering with this any more (I have no idea why I read it).

  • There are other threads over OCuk with this guy saying hes 21 living with his mum.
  • He has no job and £4k+ lying around,
  • he also has a kid whos is 7 and a 21yr old girlfriend.
  • He claims he knows more about computing than his so called girlfriend's dad who works for IBM and decided AV would be a good idea (mmmm might be possible, but not likely)
  • The man has an EEE pc which he won't put AV on
  • he also has a lone WD Raptor (which is faster than anything else on the planet - transfering all in less than 5 secs) which is connected to it....
  • He ghosts and image, doesn't use Norton Ghost - therefore doesn't pay for it...

Need any more. SPAMMER. There isn't a word of truth in the entire thread from this OP called "nate"
 
Ghosting in image is using Norton ghost to make an image of your computer...

When it was purchased the 7200.11 was the best 500gb drive you could buy, and the Maxtor is 3 years old :)

And it matters a lot if you paid for something, and I do actually live with a lawyer and my Dad is a policeman :D

No ghosting doesn't mean you used Norton Ghost there are lots of programs to use.

LOL well I used True Acronis Image not Norton.

What your saying is, because you have no anti virus, you don't get virrii?
Thats like saying becuase you pulled out at the last second, you can't get a girl pregnant!

Laughable :)

I know when I have a virus because my PC screws up and I the net slows down, you get pop ups and bad bad naughty exe files in the system32 folder. It's not like sex at all, how can you compare sex to computers are you a horny robot who likes to pull out at the last second.

So Nate, how are you going to execute your 1337 virus beating skills on a netbook that is 260 miles away?

If it's your girlfriend using it not you then it's going to get a virus of some sort at some point or other.


Format.

From the sounds of it, your uncle was looking at the logs that show internet activity/attacks.... unless its configured properly, it will show Lots of "attacks", most are just from your ISP/sites visited to check your pc is still there....

However, a good anti virus will only pop a msg if it does actually find something odd... apart from the odd false positive... that fact you get no such warnings is because you have no such detection software....

What your saying is, because you have no anti virus, you don't get virrii?
Thats like saying becuase you pulled out at the last second, you can't get a girl pregnant!

Laughable :)

Nate:

Educate yourself!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7950000/newsid_7955800/7955806.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&news=1&ms3=6&ms_javascript=true&bbcws=2

but i suspect you will say your still safe and oblivious to any dangers.

Can't watch that need WMP 11 but I have a seperate bank account for cyber crime so if they rob me they won't get much.

Wait.... Nate has a girlfriend? :eek:

Yup met her on cs:s.

Linx that's exactly how I feel there are better ways to protect yourself than using an AV.

Well, that's because they're detecting the viruses you can not see for yourself? Your logic is pretty flawed in this one, sorry mate.

If I can't see it then I don't care it's there. I will notice it though usually because your PC goes funny like something not quite right.

Anyone who doesn't have an AV program at least installed (maybe not resident protection) to be able to find the viruses and then says "I never get them" are either stupid, lying, arrogant to the point of stupidity or a mixture of all three. The firewall (zonealarm) helps to stop hackers from implanting a virus, the antivirus detects and removes the virus. Honestly I can't belive anybody can be this stupid!

I never get them though, why can't you beleive me. Maybe your the arragont one calling people liers just because you probs got like 100 viruses lolz.

Isnt ZoneAlarm rubbish? I know AVG is, I wouldn't be happy if someone installed this carp on my computer.

I used Windows firewall and Nod32, not that they have anything to do, I haven't had a single virus in over 2 years, they are there though for protection as in 'just in case' better safe than sorry and all that.

Fair play and your proof viruses arn't as bad as they used to be, you can thank firefox for that I think.

I'd never suggest that you would fall foul of things such as replying to "peypal sevizes" but that isn't what I said anyway. I implied that a PC running with no protection can quite easily become part of a zombie botnet which will then be used to send these emails; amongst other things.

And no, checking what active services are running isn't enough to detect this.

Well you have a point there though you gotta be stupid enough to become a zombie computer in the first place.

If you can't get rid of the virus why not format, I mean come on you get them every 2 years if your unlucky.

HAI GUISE I DELTEDED MAI ANITIRUS AN I DUN AVE NO VIRUSES COZ NUFFIN IS POPIN UP. MUST BE A OK DEN.

Wait for the next thread...

"My 26 year old dad got a virus what do I do?"

LMFAO your a bad lad, a bad lad.

Right, come on admit it who made this account up just to take the mic?

Seriously though guys, why is anyone bothering with this any more (I have no idea why I read it).

  • There are other threads over OCuk with this guy saying hes 21 living with his mum.
  • He has no job and £4k+ lying around,
  • he also has a kid whos is 7 and a 21yr old girlfriend.
  • He claims he knows more about computing than his so called girlfriend's dad who works for IBM and decided AV would be a good idea (mmmm might be possible, but not likely)
  • The man has an EEE pc which he won't put AV on
  • he also has a lone WD Raptor (which is faster than anything else on the planet - transfering all in less than 5 secs) which is connected to it....
  • He ghosts and image, doesn't use Norton Ghost - therefore doesn't pay for it...

Need any more. SPAMMER. There isn't a word of truth in the entire thread from this OP called "nate"

Aaah how I have waited to qoute you sir.

Yes I'm 21 living with my mum, got a problem?
Yes I have no job, lucky you if you have one.
I don't have a kid, someone assumed I did because I wrote a thread for my step dad and couldn't be bothered to explain so just said need a laptop for my son which I apologised for in that thread.
I never claimed I know more than her step dad, he is very good with computers I remember when he drew me a network diagram and it flew straight past my head.
Yes so what if I won't put AV on an EEEPC, I don't use sensitive info on it and 5 seconds format if I get infected and can't remove it.
I do have a WD Raptor 300gb and my image is 600mb Nlited windows so it installs lightning fast and 5 secs is a figure of speech of course it doesn't take 5 secs lmao.
Don't even use norton ghost so just shows what you really know only spammer here is you because all my words are 100% truth. Why did you add qoutation marks to my name, are you implying I'm not called nate. Sorry I don't have time to own you anymore and send you my birth certificate.

Wonder what you would do if I told you my step dad is called Ian Huntley lmfao
 
I think some of you guys need to lay off him.

He asked a question, just reply to it if you want or GTFO.

No need to start an argument over nothing, that's what GD is for.
 
Intermet explorer probably isnt significantly more insecure than mozzila but the loopholes have been aceses and exploited more because its the default browser and therethore used by vunerable targets. I. E. Newbs. And i dont see the problem with AV software. Fair enough if its overburdening the pc but tbh any pc, netbook or not, that cant handle one AV program should be burnt. If i where you id keep avg just to be safe. You may be able to identify a virus but it is a pain to have to reformat. And how do you know it hasnt done something before you found it? I dont know what you use it for but any mthing important such as internet banking should deffinatly be done on a pc with atleast one AV program, one firewall and one spyware progran. Theres my two cents anyways.
 
Im quite shocked at the number of people who seem to think Norton Ghost is the only ghosting program out there!

But like I've said before, the days of having a virus that redirects you to pornography or annoying pop ups are gone.

A modern virus will be shadowy, it doesnt want to draw attention to itself, the most money now adays are gained from key logging or using your computer as part of a botnet. Things that will be very subtle indeed.

As icey_haj said, some of you guys need to take it easy. I think this thread is running its course really.
 
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Nate man, you seem to be saying you've installed a raptor into an eeepc.
I do have a WD Raptor 300gb and my image is 600mb Nlited windows so it installs lightning fast

To start with I think the OP makes a few solid points. I'd be unimpressed if I loaned a computer to someone and they installed things onto it. An eeepc at 630mhz running XP, a firewall and an antivirus all on 512 ram is not very responsive.

I don't use antivirus programs or firewalls on my eeepc. I rely on a hardware router that I've put very little effort into setting up. But equally, I accept that this decreases the lifespan of the os before a reformat is needed, and I don't buy things using it. Better to run it fast and leave it formatting every couple of months than to run slowly but reliably if all it's doing is browsing the internet and writing posts on here :)

Anyone know how to discover if your computer is part of a botnet? I wouldn't have the first clue where to look
 
Nate your a fool sorry.

Im running noscript / adblock for firefox, only a few days ago avira popped up saying a trojan was detected when i clicked a link from a friend. What if this had been a worm/virus and screwed my system over before i could manually detect it if i didnt have virus protection?

Ive done Computer security and network security courses on my degree and even before doing these I made sure to protect my pc with AV and have always kept check on running processes on my pc, there is no chance in hell I would run a PC without an Anti virus protection.
 
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