so who mants the HDA x-plosion then? :D

Big.Wayne said:
Huh? :confused:

what's EAX got to do with DTS?
I think he's implying DTS in games would outweigh the loss of EAX. But tbh, I'd still want to use EAX. These things look amazing - however, worth it over my Audigy 2 ZS paired with Logitech Z5500's?
 
smids said:
I think he's implying DTS in games would outweigh the loss of EAX. But tbh, I'd still want to use EAX. These things look amazing - however, worth it over my Audigy 2 ZS paired with Logitech Z5500's?

u are correct sir. doom and quake sound good in 7.1 emulation and i would wager GREAT in dts.
 
Hi,

I don't follow? I thought EAX was the thing that created reverb effects (large hanger etc) and that DTS was just a similar digital technology to DD5:1?

How does DTS create the *atmosphere* in the game?
 
Big.Wayne said:
Hi,

I don't follow? I thought EAX was the thing that created reverb effects (large hanger etc) and that DTS was just a similar digital technology to DD5:1?

How does DTS create the *atmosphere* in the game?
Well I would imagine it would be like using analogue, only better. i.e. I use analogue to connect to my speakers otherwise I have to rely on 'up-mixing' of a 2.1 digital to 5.1 digital. Analogue is exactly that with an output for each sound stream. I am led to believe this sound card can encode a signal and then you can use your speakers to decode it, thereby no upmixing takes place. You don't get any of the super special effects but you get proper digital sound which hasn't been emulated.

This is how I have logically deduced what happens and I have no expertise in this area so someone please feel free to rip me a new one :p.
 
taken from creative website: eax 4.0 uses emulation to create a 5.1 experiance.

so when u are playing battlefield2 through your 3 analog imputs eax will try its hardest to make a bullet sound like its zipping past your head.

now dts and a proper reciever: imagine the opening scene of saving private ryan or any of the new star wars series.

plus the added benefit of only needing one optical cable.

thats the differance of the two formats.
 
max power said:
so when u are playing battlefield2 through your 3 analog imputs eax will try its hardest to make a bullet sound like its zipping past your head
Hi,

that's not EAX your talking about, that's *Positional Audio*.

The EAX I am talking about is as I mentioned before, it's *Enviromental* so when you creep into a dark cave the sound field is effected by a kinda reverb, i.e it really does sound like you are in a cave etc?
 
smids said:
I think he's implying DTS in games would outweigh the loss of EAX. But tbh, I'd still want to use EAX. These things look amazing - however, worth it over my Audigy 2 ZS paired with Logitech Z5500's?

if you have an av reciever and speakers........with out a doubt.

David G - i just dont know. They are out in limited numbers in the us. no word of when they'll reach these shores:(
 
playing games in full dolby digital is great, and tbh do prefere it to EAX.

though id rather have DTS than DD. dunno why but DTS just seems to sound cleaner and better to me??? :)
 
It's mostely down to the soundtrack mixing. DTS has the capability to be very much better than DD with the option of lossless encoding/decoding. However, for every movie that has a better DTS track, there are also some astoundingly good DD tracks.

With the ability to encode at 1.5mb/sec lossless DTS, the x-plosion really is one to watch:)
 
Is it me or does that review seem like the X-mystique and not the X-plosion?
It didn't talk about DTS just DDL...

Still very much looking forward to the X-plosion though.

Panzer
 
Panzerbjorn said:
Is it me or does that review seem like the X-mystique and not the X-plosion?
It didn't talk about DTS just DDL...

Still very much looking forward to the X-plosion though.

Panzer

the diamond extreme is a DDL only card, identical to the x-mystique:)
EB have got a review out and IMO, the card is looking pretty damn good:

http://www.elite********.com/cms/in...ask=view&id=19&Itemid=28&limit=1&limitstart=1

CD and MP3 playback

Naturally, the first thing I wanted to do with the X-Plosion was to enjoy some music, making use of the DTS Connect capability of the card to fill my room with musical goodness. Although the vast majority of music is not naturally designed for multi-channel playback, the added depth of being 'surrounded' by music really adds to the listening experience more often and not, and the X-Plosion does a good enough job of separating sounds and channels for you to easily believe in many cases that you were listening to audio that had been created for a multi-channel setup from the off. From the subtle, multi-layered and distorted soundscapes of Boards of Canada's The Campfire Headphase through to the orchestral power of The End of Evangelion move soundtrack, everything I put through the X-Plosion was a joy to listen to - Rich and precise down to the last note.

My only real gripes with listening to music in this mode were that firstly, the centre speaker isn't utilised at all, leaving you with 4.1 audio rather than 5.1 as you might hope. Secondly, things did get a little tinny at times at the high-end, although a little tweaking with the equaliser away from its default settings soon put paid to that. Somehow though, the lack of that centre speaker soon drifts out of your mind once you become immersed in your favourite tracks in and bombarded with sonic beauty from all sides.

DVD playback

There is always a joy to be had from enjoying multi-channel surround sound while watching DVD movies, and the X-Plosion doesn't disappoint in this field. Be it Dolby Digital or DTS, the X-Plosion offers good, crystal clear audio, with good separation of channels and a decent sonic range, leaving little to criticise at all. So, simply put, I won't. Particular highlights of my testing include The Matrix's lobby sequence, and the opening minutes of Star Wars: Episode III, both of which do a fine job of showing off the X-Plosion's prowess.

Gaming

I finished my subjective test with a look at how the X-Plosion does in your average gaming session, courtesy of a couple of games that make good use of positional audio as part of the gameplay experience - Doom 3 and F.E.A.R. Doom 3 in particular sounds fabulous in full-on 5.1 surround sound, giving you a great idea of when something is sneaking up behind you or on tis way around the corner, adding to the experience even without the EAX 4.0 support now inherent in the title. In a similar vein, F.E.A.R. is another scary battle of wits, which often relies on sound alone for you to figure whats around the next corner, as well as adding atmosphere to the whole experience. Thus, again having 5.1 audio is of great benefit here, adding that touch more tension to the gaming experience. In my entirely personal opinion, all in all the loss of advanced EAX effects is easily offset by the added multi-channel audio capabilities of the X-Plosion.

Conclusions

When we looked at HDA's first entrance into the discrete sound card market, the X-Mystique, we saw an excellent piece of hardware that introduced a much sought-after feature with it's Dolby Digital Live encoding abilities. Quite simply, the X-Plosion has topped that achievement, and by quite some margin. The addition of DTS Connect may not be a show-stopper for everyone, but it is bound to attract a fair amount of excitement and interest, and rightly so. From our testing however, the biggest news should perhaps be the improvements in overall audio quality that have been made with the X-Plosion, with it giving a substantially better showing than its predecessor, and more than giving the SoundBlaster Audigy a run for its money. Sure, it may not quite be an X-Fi (That may well be a comparison for another day), but everything it does do, it does exceptionally well.

As with the X-Mystique, the X-Plosion's biggest falling point is in its gaming performance and featureset - The lack of support for the latest, greatest EAX functionality may well put off gamers, and sadly is something we will most likely never see change with Creative Labs having the stranglehold on the discrete sound card market they currently do. This is a real shame, as a combination of Dolby Digital or DTS encoding alongside EAX would make for a gaming experience par excellence. As it is however, using Dolby Digital Live or DTS Connect does add to the gaming experience, so if you can live without EAX 3.0 and upward support, and don't mind a heavier performance hit from using hardware 3D sound, then the X-Plosion may still be able to tempt even avid gamers.

However, the big draw of the X-Plosion is, in most cases I suspect, the ability to play back audio and video content in multi-channel surround sound regardless of source, and in this regard HDA's effort excels. If you aren't a hardcore audiophile, then you may well be tempted to save some money by going for the X-Mystique instead, but if you like the idea of DTS support and the higher quality output on offer here, then you can't go far wrong with the X-Plosion, and you're guaranteed a purchase that your ears will thank you for.


They could have been a little more thorough with their testing and write up on DTS:C, but regardless it's a great looking card:)
 
I see on Auzentech site, that they still do not have a UK distributer, has Gibbo/OcUK confirmed that they intend on doing business with these guys and getting some stock in at some stage?
I think by the size of the thread, they should certainly shift off the shelves if they do stock them.
 
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