Caporegime
About an hour ago 
So who's preparing for winter this year?
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Man of Honour
ok I wouldn't consider hanging the rear end out I'm something fwd as drifting. to me you need rwd for drifting. its not like you can hold it for more than a few seconds in something fwd.
edit: in my limited experience its not like you hang the back end of something fwd for all that long, unless its wet.
edit: in my limited experience its not like you hang the back end of something fwd for all that long, unless its wet.
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Soldato
I've got road salt, de-icer and some scrapers. That's pretty much it. The new car might make things easier as it has slightly narrower wheels and isn't as heavy as the Avensis.
Caporegime
Man of Honour
The clue is in the title on that one
I'm not saying you can't hang the rear out on something FWD but to me at least, you can only "drift" a RWD car.
You can't hold "lift-off oversteer" in a fwd car forever once the power is back on the rear will pull in. In something RWD you can hold the rear end out until you run out of either road/talent/balls whichever comes first.
Thats the way I see it anyway, although I fully see your point regarding FWD vs RWD
Caporegime
I know what you're saying however oversteer is still a drift, I haven't yet seen a published figure which defines the minimum distance required for a 'skid' to qualify as a 'drift'.
Lets not forget the original point was you can't even drift fwd on snow, DR are doing just so on a dry track, i've even had one of my fwd cars sideways on gravel, snow and rain surfaces for a reasonable distance.
Lets not forget the original point was you can't even drift fwd on snow, DR are doing just so on a dry track, i've even had one of my fwd cars sideways on gravel, snow and rain surfaces for a reasonable distance.
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Snow tyres and chains are totally different things.
I honestly don't have the energy to reply to this post properly, so I'm just going to wish you the best of luck when you crash into that tree backwards.
Man of Honour
Fair enough.
what ice experienced in the wet I would fully consider a drift as I went the majority of the way around a roundabout, however on the dry the rear hooks up far too quickly for it to be be considered a drift.
I guess what makes oversteer in a fwd car is rather subjective.
what ice experienced in the wet I would fully consider a drift as I went the majority of the way around a roundabout, however on the dry the rear hooks up far too quickly for it to be be considered a drift.
I guess what makes oversteer in a fwd car is rather subjective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-EBbsi46pw
stop with the name calling, ive pm'ed mods about it, hopefully you'll get banned..
their is no way the back end of the car will come around, its never happened and will never happen, ive been driving 10+ years and its never happened..
though pushing the car to its limit, which isnt the case when it snows, i have drifted a car before, my 205gti, lift off over steer, the van while it was raining, i pushed too hard around a corner, my mates bmw, rwd and my mazda 323 gtr.. in the snow..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUQAOMKIToU
ive been to around 5 garages now pricing up tyres and they're all happy about selling me 2 snow tyres for the driving wheels and say that i'll be ok, they have no problem doing that and if they thought it was dangerous, they'd not sell me 2..
No personal insults please.
They're salesmen and will tell you whatever they deem to be best thing to extract money from you with (short of lies that could get them sued usually).
If you are coming over like you'd just not bother if they said 'oh no, you definitely need all four' they'll just sell you two, as two tyres sold is better than no tyres sold.
They're there to make money, not be a source of impartial advice. They couldn't give a monkeys if it was dangerous, just like the dodgy backstreet places selling part worn budgets for a fiver don't care if they're dangerous.
(I should probably report your name calling too, seeing as you reported frozennova, it'd only be fair)
The clue is in the title on that one
I'm not saying you can't hang the rear out on something FWD but to me at least, you can only "drift" a RWD car.
I think what you are saying is that you can't powerslide a FWD car which is quite true. However, you can certainly perform a rear wheel drift in one, like this.
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Man of Honour
They'll tell you what you want to hear if theyre going to sell tyres.
there's no way you can definitively say you wont lose the rear end. I've had it happen at <20mph in the wet. your clearly a hypocrite telling me to stop name calling and doing that at the end of your post.
anyway, enough feeding the troll.
there's no way you can definitively say you wont lose the rear end. I've had it happen at <20mph in the wet. your clearly a hypocrite telling me to stop name calling and doing that at the end of your post.
anyway, enough feeding the troll.
im not talking about back street garages and all garages have a duty of care, if they thought it would be dangerous they wouldnt sell 2, but they and i know most people are fine with all weather tyres so adding 2 snow tyres to the ront will only help, not hinder
Caporegime
Someone really needs to show you the YouTube snow tyre tests when they show you how dangerous fitting snow tyres to just the driving wheels is.
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No, I don't have any experience with driving with mixed tyres.you probably couldnt reply with anything helpful because you cant..
very likely that you dont have any experience of driving with snow tyres on the front and all weather tyres on the back using a fwd car.. were as i have..
bmw drivers
I do, however, have experience of driving in arctic conditions with winter tyres all round.
I am also capable of stringing a coherent sentence together.
im not really bothered about your grammar capabilities..
if you have no experiance, why open your mouth ?
those 2 youtube vidoes show the car without snow tyres going too fast round a corner, no-one in their right mind would drive so fast, again with the back end pulling around, why would you let it happen ? lay off the brakes a little and the back wouldnt come round..
i can see the point in that all 4 snow tyres would be better but imo 2 snow tyres on the front is better than no snow tyres on the front..
ive had the back end come round with all weather tyres fitted on the snow, so imo 2 snow tyres on the front wouldnt make it worse, unless you drive over the tyres limits, like they're doing on the youtube videos..
the 2 front snow tyres are merely to stop me getting stuck in the snow..
the car isnt going to be pushed to its limits, like the youtube clips..
but i think i'll make my own little youtube clip this winter and proof everyone wrong..
i'd also like to add how bad those 2 reviews are.. as said in the youtube comments, look at 0:42 and the red car doesnt even turn its wheels.. its b.s.
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I have a warm coat that coped perfectly well with last winter. If significant snow is on the ground then I will likely walk to work instead as per every winter that it has snowed.
Caporegime
You seem to be the sort of person who won't listen until it happens to you.
So i wish you good luck in your winter driving adventures.
