So who's preparing for winter this year?

To be fair, it you've got all weather tyres on the back then you'll be alright.
I thought you were running summers.

As long as you've got good tread I guess you're good to go.

The thing with winter tyres all road is that you CAN push the car, making it much safer.
 
mjt said:
To be fair, it you've got all weather tyres on the back then you'll be alright.
I thought you were running summers.

As long as you've got good tread I guess you're good to go.

The thing with winter tyres all road is that you CAN push the car, making it much safer.
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thanks for a nice reply :)
 
Lopéz said:
It's only dangerous if the driver is a fool.
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Don't agree with that 100%, yes it's worse if the driver is a tool but it's back to the 4wd driver syndrome, just because you can get the car up to speed on snow / ice doesn't mean you can stop the thing any better than someone with 2wd.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios off the top of my head which makes the above practice dangerous plus you get the illusion of more grip than you actually have, the above setup is all fine and well until one day you take that corner at a speed the front end feels fine at or you need to stop quickly and instead of skidding the back end comes around.

different strokes i suppose, some people are happy to be cheap at the cost of safety and others aren't.
 
To be fair, winters on the front only looks huge fun, and when the weather cheers up, put the winters on the back. Permanent oversteer
 
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"You have to oversteer to correct it, hence the term oversteer... "

Er no, its called oversteer because the car rotates further than you want and you have to countersteer....

If you kick the back end out on rwd power like he says, no amount of adding power will control it, you kick the back end out using LOOS or a brake.... Hence to correct the slide you use the opposite of whatever caused it. Drifters "pump" the throttle to keep the weight over the front axle using miny LOOS's to allow long drifts and not allowing the power to fully correct the slide.
 
Dr Who said:
"You have to oversteer to correct it, hence the term oversteer... "

Er no, its called oversteer because the car rotates further than you want and you have to countersteer....

If you kick the back end out on rwd power like he says, no amount of adding power will control it, you kick the back end out using LOOS or a brake.... Hence to correct the slide you use the opposite of whatever caused it. Drifters "pump" the throttle to keep the weight over the front axle using miny LOOS's to allow long drifts and not allowing the power to fully correct the slide.
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I know that guy is held in high regard on here but I wouldn't take too much notice of someone who uses the term "doing skids" when talking about drifting :p
 
Firestar_3x said:
Don't agree with that 100%, yes it's worse if the driver is a tool but it's back to the 4wd driver syndrome, just because you can get the car up to speed on snow / ice doesn't mean you can stop the thing any better than someone with 2wd.

I can think of half a dozen scenarios off the top of my head which makes the above practice dangerous plus you get the illusion of more grip than you actually have, the above setup is all fine and well until one day you take that corner at a speed the front end feels fine at or you need to stop quickly and instead of skidding the back end comes around.

different strokes i suppose, some people are happy to be cheap at the cost of safety and others aren't.
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Oh 'ark at you with your moral high ground :p

If I fit winter tyres to the rear of my car to give me extra traction (and I mean traction in it's purest sense - the ability to move, not give me extra grip on corners and therefore to travel faster) then I am going to be fully aware of this.
I'm still going to drive like I'm on eggshells, as I always do in snow anyway - the only difference is going to be when I find myself on a steep hill; where previously my rear wheels would have spun into oblivion and I would not have been able to scale the hill, I now have snow tyres on the rear which give sufficient grip to get me up the hill.

The problem is a lot of people will be thinking "GOT WINTER TIREZ ON THE FRONT, I CAN DRIVE LIEK NORMAL INNIT", and I agree those people will be in trouble if they fit only 2 winter/snow tyres. But I'm not those people.
 
with the wrong tyres 4x4 isnt too good in the snow either, you only have 1 more wheel really, so 2 drive wheels, when i had the defender it would slip about, obviously 2 open diffs, 2 drive wheels as it sends the power to the tyre that grips the least..

it was fine once i locked the diffs..

anything awd is amazing
 
4wd with LSD or locked diffs is vastly superior to anything else with the same tyres :)

Not sure my scoob will be great with Nan-Kangs tho :D

Hmm fit the 16 inchers with ZV3's or wait....
 
It all comes down to preference... I drive 20-30k a year and this winter will be my third with winter tyres and my second full set of winter tyres. I'll be using Vredestein Wintrac xtremes and as long as I have the money and the storage space for a set of alloys all year round, I'll continue to use a summer / winter setup.

My personal experience is that my winter tyres offer me little if anything over my summer tyres in cold / wet conditions. We all understand our breaking distances in different conditions and adapt come winter. The reason I buy my tyres is the same as quite a few on here who buy winters... It makes such a difference when we do have the snow - No matter what the weather, I've always made it to a client's site... Be it perfectly gritted motorway miles, driving miles of narrow country lanes, or climbing steep ungritted hills. Just getting to a job ensures I'm paid, which in turn quickly sees my return on investment.
 
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