So, you want to keep a pet tarantula?

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So you want to have a pet with a bit of a difference?
In this thread I'll attempt to provide some basic information and dispel a few myths about the large, hairy Mygalomorphs we know as Tarantulas.

Is a tarantula a spider?
Actually, no it isn't! Well not scientifically and zoologically anyway - The True Tarantula was originally a large Wolf Spider found in Italy - people bitten by these spiders were forced (under duress from an old wives tale) to perform a wild dance called "The Tarantella" to burn up the poison in their blood! In actual fact the True Tarantula is not a highly venemous animal, though it may give a nasty bite.
Today, the name Tarantula applies to almost any hairy Arachnid - think of it as calling all vacuum cleaners a "Hoover" and you're on the right track.

Are tarantulas deadly?
No! Tarantula venom is reasonably potent, but is produced in relatively small quantities. Tarantula fangs are thick and leave a large, painful wound though - these are liable to get infected, so if you get bitten, keep the wound clean.
Normal symptoms of a tarantula bit usually include itching, numbness, sweeling and possible slight fever and/or aches. Very similar to the effects of a bee or wasp sting.
Some people are allergic to bites (as with wasps) In this case, it's safer to not hold your tarantula and run the risk of being bitten.

Can I hold it? Won't it bite me?
Some species of tarantula are very docile and may be handled with care. If you are scared of holding your spider then please do not do so - leave him in his tank. If you become nervous and drop the spider there is a huge risk the spider will die - tarantula blood contains no clotting agents and your pet will rapidly bleed to death.
Aggressive species apart, tarantulas will hardly ever bite unless seriously provoked. Avoid handling hungry tarantulas, as they are more likely to bite.
Almost all tarantulas are covered in urticating hairs. Some people find these hairs give them a rash - if this is the case you can handle your pet with gloves. An angry spider will kick hairs at you - if these hairs get in your eyes they can cause itching and even temporary blindness. The moral of the story is not to annoy your spider. If it seems agitated then leave it alone.
Handling is not essential - many owners keep their pets for years without ever touching them.
Never try to scare people with your spider - at best they will panic and/or get bitten, at worst you may end up with a dead pet. Please respect people's wishesand fears, however "silly" you think they may be.

What should I feed my spider?
Never be tempted to feed a tarantula with wild caught insects - they may well be infected with mites or be diseased.
Boxes of live crickets can be bought from pet shops for around £2.
These will last a month or so before they die .
Spiders are very easy to feed - pop the lid off the tank, sprinkle in a few crickets in and close the lid. Sometimes your spider will kill and eat several at once, sometimes he may totally ignore any food put in the tank. Don't worry about overfeeding a tarantula - they only eat what they need to, and will often refuse food for weeks on end.
Make sure any dead crickets get removed from the tank or they will begin to smell and attract mould.
Your spider should always have a supply of water - a shallow water dish will suffice, or even a piece of saturated sponge. Make sure the water is kept fresh and topped up daily, or the spider will rapidly become ill.

What can I keep the spider in?
NEVER PUT MORE THAN ONE SPIDER IN A TANK!
Spiders are nearly all cannibalistic and will eat one another if kept together.
Most fully grown tarantulas need a glass or plastic tank at least 30x30x30 cm.
Make sure the tank has a strong, tight fitting lid, as most tarantulas are masters of escapology and will force off a loose lid and go walkabout. It is essential that the lid is well ventilated or the spider will suffocate. If your tarantula ever does escape, you'll most likely find it hiding behind or underneath a radiator, or somewhere else dark and warm.
Vermiculite is an ideal substrate, and burrowing species will appreciate a few inches of peat. Don't use gravel or earth from the garden as it is not clean and may contain parasites.
Give your spider a piece of sterile bark or similar to hide under - it will probably spend most of the day in there and only emerge at night.
A heat mat is an ideal way of keeping a tarantula sufficiently warm. Place the mat (available from most pet shops) under one end of the tank so that the spider has a "cool area" where it can stay if it prefers.
To maintain sufficient humidity, mist the tank lightly every few days with water. Spiders need humidity to breath properly.
It is easier to keep the tank quite sparse as tarantulas are clumsy hunters and will have trouble finding food ina messy tank.
You should remove dead clrickets regularly and change the soil maybe once every few months. Spiders do not make much mess or smell, but dead crickets do!
Keep the tank out of direct sunlight - spiders do not like it one bit and prolonged exposure will kill them.

Moulting. What happens when my spider needs to shed it's skin?
A tarantula's skin is a hard exoskeleton (ie it's bones are on the "outside") and in order to grow it needs to remove the hard outer skin.
Juvenile spiders may moult every couple of months, slowing as they reach maturity. A fully mature spider may moult less than once a year - my own spider hasn't moulted in 18 months.
Before a moult, your spider may start acting very strangely. They will refuse food, and often spin a web on the floor of the tank. The colour of the spider may darken and it may appear to flex it's jaws regularly. Before moulting most spiders will lay on their backs and draw their legs in - if this happens then you should remove any crickets from the tank as the spider is soft and vulnerable at this time. Also ensure the spider is sufficiently humid or problems may occur.
Moulting is hugely traumatic, and may take a day or more in some cases. At the end of a successful moult you will be left with one spider and one discarded skin. Remove the skin and straighten it out andyou will have a carbon copy of your spider.
After a moult a spider may not be fully recovered for a week or more. Do not introduce any food into the tank until at least a few days after moulting. I always leave it a week to be sure.

So what tarantula should I go for?
It might sound boring but aim to get the most docile spider you can - there is nothing more upsetting and off-putting than being bitten by a new pet.
Docile species tend to be more hardy and resilient, making them ideal for beginners and younger owners.

Are there any species I should avoid?
ANYTHING unidentified! Any tarantula stockist worth his salt will be able to tell you the spiders common name, latin name, and age. Sex is not so easy to tell, especially in immature spiders.
If your petstore can't give you a latin name for the spider then find another stockist. I've seen far too many spiders for sale with the label "Bird-Eating Spider" - which is just a label given to large and generally tree-dwelling South American spiders. Buy from someone who knows their stuff and it'll save you headaches in the future.

Shown in the link below are several aggressive species which the beginner should avoid. Please don't think it's "cool" to go out and get an aggressive spider - an inexperienced owner will most likely end up with an escaped spider, or a nasty painful bite.
http://www.arachnophiliac.com/burrow/worsttenspids.htm

Suggested Species to own

Mexican Red Knee (Euathlus smithi or Brachypelma smithi)

This is what everyone thinks of when you say "tarantula"
Hailing from Mexico, so many of these spiders were wild-caught that they are now a protected species - this means that the ones you buy from a pet shop will have been bred in captivity.
They are colourful, hairy, and a good size. Normally very docile and agreeable spiders, but they are quite fond of kicking hairs when annoyed.
Juveniles can be a dull brown shade but should mature into fully coloured adults
The Red-Knee is a ground dwelling spider (sometimes they burrow too) and enjoys temperatures between 25 and 30 degrees, with humidity levels between 60 and 70%.
They reach maturity in about 5 years, and females will normally live a further 10 or more years.
http://www.donsroom.co.uk/~lopez/Euathlussmithi

Honduran Curly Hair (Euathlus albopilosa)

These spiders are native to Honduras, Nicaragua and Costa Rica.
They are hardy when kept in captivity, have a good appetite, and are generally very docile. Whilst they are not as visually striking as some spiders, they tend to make up for it by being easy to keep and cheap to buy.
Whilst they are native to rainforests, these are burrowing spiders so make sure they have plenty of substrate to dig about in. Aim to keep the temperature at around 29 degrees, and a humidity of around 80%. Females should live around 15 years.
http://www.donsroom.co.uk/~lopez/Euathlusalbopilosa

Chilean Rose (Grammostola rosea)

These are the most common pet tarantula and with good reason. Easy to keep, docile in nature, cheap and long lived (over 15 years)
The base colour is a dark brown with pale pink tinged hairs, and a wonderful purple sheen on the carapace.
These spiders live in the dry but humid Chilean rainforests - keep the substrate dry with temps of about 26 degrees, and aim for a humidity of 70%.
http://www.donsroom.co.uk/~lopez/Grammostolarosea

Remember that juvenile spiders will be unsexed. Male tarantulas tend to only live a year or so after reaching maturity, whereas females may well survive over 25 years in captivity!

This guide is by no means exhaustive, and I suggest you read as much as you can about tarantulas before purchasing one.
I've had mine 10 years now and if I can successfully keep one then anyone can.

http://hem.spray.se/minax/index/welcome_e.html
http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/html/tarantulas.html
http://www.bighairyspiders.com/
http://www.bugsdirectuk.com/tar.html
 
Originally posted by Ex-RoNiN
Informative post, thanks for that Lopez :) You have one yourself, eh? Why isn't a Tarantula a spider then, you seemed to have lost that bit :confused:
It's all down to Zoological groupings.

Arthropods are animals with jointed legs like lobsters, insects, scorpions, spiders etc.
Arachnids are a sub-order of arthropods - they differ from insects in that they have 8 rather than 6 legs. Common Arachnids are spiders and scorpions.
Aranea is the sub order of Arachnids covering spiders.
Aranea has 3 suborders - tarantulas belong in the group called Orthognatha, and are collectively referred to as Mygalomorphs.
Theraphosids are a further sub-group where we find what are referred to as tarantulas. With 30,000 species of spider in the World, categorising is a necessity. Tarantulas (Theraphosids) are Mygalomorphs and are very primitive, often referred to as the dinosaurs of the spider world.
The main difference between true spiders and tarantulas is the fangs. In true spiders, the fangs have evolved so that they move around upon an axis giving them the ability to snare prey at various angles, whilst the tarantula has fangs which fold underneath and have to be used in a striking motion, up and down, thereby limiting it's hunting abilities.
So there you have it - they are arachnids in the aranea order (making them spiders) but they do not belong to the group of "true spiders" that contains your common house and garden spiders.

Complicated eh? That's why I didn't really go into depth about it. :D
 
Re: Re: So, you want to keep a pet tarantula?

Originally posted by RobOffer
Doesnt that make the Tarantula a spider then? :rolleyes: :confused:
See this is why it's confusing.
The name "Tarantula" was given to a true spider, a Wolf Spider infact from Italy.

Somehow, over time, the name tarantula got applied to these big hairy things too and the name just stuck.

They're still all "spiders" as we know them though. :)

There are lots of things like this in science - there are several principals we still use in physics which have been since proven wrong....
 
Originally posted by Élynduil
Hell no! I'm shivering from just reading this. Why anyone would want to own one of those horrible things is beyond me. It's a damn big hairy, scary thing!
Oh come on......tell me this isn't gorgeous?

Haplopelmalividum01


Incidentally that's a Cobalt Blue, rather agressive and certainly not suitable for a beginner. That's what I'm getting next, followed by a Pink-toed Bird Eating Spider. :)
 
Some of the tropical species are seriously amazing.

How about this for a stunner? This is a Greenbottle Blue, another "must have" for me. :)



Credit goes to Phong's site for most of these fantastic pictures.
 
Originally posted by AlienSlof
Those are seriously beautiful spiders - I think I should go back to keeping tarantulas after seeing these! I am used to aggressive ones as my male red-knee was - he was treated with a large amount of respect from me.

I used to also keep snakes and lizards as well as a few other odd unusual pets - down to just the 4 cats now though. :)
that's one of the only real drawbacks with tarantulas.
Far too many people think "Ah, this is a docile species, I can lob it about and it won't bite me" Never take your spider's temperament for granted! Much like you wouldn't take for granted the attitude of a Rottweiler or Staff if you kept dogs.

Always gauge your pet's mood if you want to pick it up. If you nudge the spider and it shows any sign of aggression then please don't attempt to handle it. ;)
 
My Chile is docile in the extreme.
The only time I ever had a near miss was when I was about 16 and went away for the weekend - a piece of tape used to hold the thermometer in the tank had dropped off with humidity and fallen on the floor of the tank.
Of course as humidity in the tank fell over the weekend the tape regained it's stickiness and the spider got herself badly stuck - 3 legs on one side were trapped. :(

It took a very stressful hour with a pair of forceps and sharp scissors to cut her free, leaving each leg with a tiny tab of sellotape behind. About half way through the spider lost it and lunged for me three or four times. We got her free in the end though. Moral of the story? Don't put anything sticky in the tank...

Otherwise the only time I won't handle her is if she's not been fed - she spends the majority of her time sitting just outside her bark lair, although as a juvenile she was a prolific climber.


Sik:
That's the same species I have - sometimes they are much much pinker in real life. Mine almost looks orange in some lights. They are ideal beginners pets and cheap to buy too.

Remove dead food with a pair of long forceps, or your fingers. :)

Keep the crickets next to the tank (they like it reasonably warm)
You can't freeze them! You buy them live, and feed them to the spider live.

HEat mats should be about 1/2 the size of the tank. This way the spider has a choice of sitting on the "warm bit" or the "cold bit" of the floor - I think they cost about £15 from pet/reptile stores.
 
Originally posted by Yan816
Sik, thats a Chillean Rose and would set you back about £15.00 for an adult female. They are a great first spider.

BTW....... to tell a spiders sex look at the two fron legs, about half way down you might see what appears to be two hooks (Tibial spurs). If these are present then its a male. Some times its hard to tell the difference, but there are ways. With Spiderlings its impossible to tell what sex they are untill they mature.

Lopéz, That Cobalt Blue is a fantastic looking spider. My next spider is going to be a Usambara Orange Baboon.:D

A tip for anyone keeping spiders........Super Glue can be used to seal wounds on spiders.
Super glue and/or talcum powder are about the only thing that will prevent your spider from bleeding to death should it be dropped.
In tarantulas the blood flows through arteries and veins but it openly bathes the body cells rather than feeding them via capilliaries.
So if the body gets pierced then it loses blood far more rapidly than an animal with a "closed" capillary fed system.

This is why it's very important not to hold the spider if you are nervous or jumpy.
 
Originally posted by sik
I've seen them in many pet shops, they say they're 'de-fanged', is that a necessity? (I think it's a tad mean, but would rather it's feelings hurt than mine).
If you were to "de-fang" a spider it would probably die - not to mention it couldn't feed. :confused:

Also, if you were to de-venomise a spider it couldn't kill and digest it's prey, so I think someone's having you on.....
 
Black crickets are evil things and will chew out of their plastic container - and the spider wouldn't eat them either.
So I switched to brown crickets which are softer and he's been fine ever since. :)
 
Originally posted by Élynduil
The only good thing about that one is that it'd be easier to spot so I could kill it or more likely peg it.

You want easy to spot?

Try Poecilotheria regalis, the Indian Ornamental Spider.
These differ from the burrowing types in that they are arboreal - they make big messy webs and live in trees.
The colouring is certainly spectacular. These are not the most docile spiders around, but tend to be fast moving and nervous rather than aggressive.
They tend to be sought after and therefore pricey to buy as a pet due to their markings.

 
I usually post 800x600 max for nice pics, 640x480 for less detailed ones. :)

Is your Goliath a bit of a kicker Yaz? Nice bald spot she's got
there, though of course the hair will grow back after it's moulted.

Your Curly Hair looks far nicer than most I've seen - looks about the same size as my Chilean Rose.

*edit* Me ex had 2 tarantulas! A 'chilli rose' is it? n a 'Curly hair' bliming eck they were awful! He had them in two non-premanent tanks at first he kepts putting the tanks near me n teasing the god damn things with chopsticks so they'd move n spread their legs! I have never screamed so much I don't think! EURGH!!! It was hideous I hadta go hide in his bedroom n shuc heavy objects infront of the door
Now this is part of the problem with spider owners. While there isn't really anything wrong with provoking a spider with chopsticks etc (spiders aren't "intelligent" and will have forgotten the incident within a day or so), I feel it's down to spider owners to try and educate or calm those who are scared of them - not frighten them even more.
A friend of mine is massively afraid of the Tarantula - if he's over and asks me not to get the spider out then I won't. The same as you should never pushpeople into holding a spider if they don't want to. Ift just isn't fair onthem or the spider, which will almost certainly be killed in the event of an accident.

I always wanted a tarantula when I was ickle, but I could never convince my mother somehow
I wanted a pet spider fromthe age of about 9 or 10. However, my mother is one of the worst Arachnaphobes I have ever met - she is petrified of spiders and says she hates the "scuttling" of their skinny legs. I wanted a spider so bad I kept house spiders in tanks as a kid, with little success unfortunately.
Then one day we took a trip to a wildlife centre, and she convinced herself into holding a Chilean Rose. She said it wasn't like a "normal" spider, because it was chunky, slow moving, and heavy - more like a mouse than a "bug"
So after me having given up all hope she went out and got
me a Chile Rose spiderling for my 13th birthday. :)
She's still scared stiff of regular house spiders, but she'll happily handle the Rose due to it's calm nature and chunky build. :)
 
Originally posted by Kendo
Brilliant thread Lopez, fascinating stuff. Before reading this I knew absolutely nothing about Tarantulas, now I still know almost nothing, but want to know more :) Never knew they could be so beautiful, that Indian Ornamental looks amazing. Are they quite rare?


Just out of interest, how many people are now considering buying a Tarantula from reading this thread? I'm definitely thinking about it.
Since most popular breeds are now successfully bred in captivity, rarity isn't the issue it once was.
More colourful and large species will always command a higher price due to their appearance rather than actual rarity.

Many spiders, however, are still wild caught. Please try not to buy a wild-caught tarantula (many are, especially from mail-order places)
For a start it's age will be uncertain, it may be diseased, and you are fuelling the collection of further specemins which is what caused numbers of the Mexican Red Knee to dwindle so spectacularly in the 80's (they are now a protected species)

Your best bet is to get a captive bred juvenile, or if you want to chance it the cheapest option is a spiderling - many are no bigger than a 5 p piece and they can be fragile in the extreme.
My own spider was about as big as a pound coin when I got her. She's now slightly smaller than a compact disc when fully spread out. :)

In fact I've inspired myself in this thread - I'm going to do some research and see where I can obtain a juvenile Cobalt Blue. :)
 
Originally posted by Yan816
I am also tempted to go for a Cobalt Blue, the problem is that in order to see the colours shown in that rather nice pic you posted, the lighting would need to be just right. Most of the time, in normal light they look black.
I've noticed that. :(
They also command a ridiculous premium at some specialist places - most appear to be wild caught adults which I refuse to buy.

I'm after something witha bit more attitude than my Chile Rose - I tried force feeding her last night as she's not taken any crickets for a few weeks and despite me prodding about for a good ten minutes the worst thing she did was turn away and feebly attempt a brief hair-kick.

Maybe an Orange Usumbara would be good, but I hear they spend a lot of time in hiding.
 
Wow, just had an amazing lunch time spent in my local reptile shop. It's the first time I've been in there (I needed some vermiculite) and the guy who owns the place was friendly and knows his stuff.
He stocks a pretty wide range of spiders, so here was my chance to finally see how "aggressive" some of these tarantulas are first hand.

First up, a Cobalt Blue. Dull brown/black spider - until you shine bright light on it and then you can see the blue colouring. He said it was very fast so he didn't bother provoking it.

Next, a Mombassa Golden Starburst - an African Baboon spider. Gorgeous creature! As soon as he pulled the lid off the tank it was up on it's rear legs, certainly had a temper!

We moved on to a Thai black next. Now this is what you call mean. As soon as he touched the tank it launched itself at the glass, audiably hissing. As soon as the tank was opened it was up on its hind legs, waving it's fangs. A prod withh the forceps and it flipped onto it's back and started to convulse and go totally beserk. It was like nothing I have ever seen - most spectacular.

The last spider was a Haitian Brown - a docile looking spider, much like a Curly-hair. Couldn't be more different in temperament!
It was using half a plant pot as a burrow - the instant he prodded the spider with forceps it lashed down onto the pot over and over and over - you could hear the fangs striking the ceramic, like the noise it makes when you tap a coin on a shop counter.

It's all very well reading how "aggressive" a spider is, but until you see it first hand you really can't understand how mean these things are. It was a most interesting visit.

I would not recommend ANY of the above spiders to anyone as a pet unless you know what you are doing. Stick to a Red-Rump, Chile Rose or Curly Hair, for your own sake. :)
 
www.bugsdirectuk.com have some interesting offers on...

Surprise box of 6 Tarantulas (Small) - Assortment of our choice £20.00

Surprise box of 6 Tarantulas (Medium) - Assortment of our choice £30.00

Surprise box of 6 Scorpions (Medium/Large) - Assortment of our choice £30.00

Hmmmm....do I chance it with an assortment? Or am I going to get lumbered with 3 Curly-Hair and 3 Chile Rose that I don't want?
Time for an email I think.
 
For anyone actually thinking about buying a tarantula as a pet, I thought you might appreciate an idea of the costs involved. :)


Tank - Any small/medium plastic tank with a tight fitting ventilated lid, £5 upwards. Arboreal (tree dwelling) species will appreciate a tall tank. You can keep a fully grown large spider in something as small as 20x15x15 cm, but personally I prefer a larger tank - 30x30x30 at least. Plastic/glass, doesn't matter as long as it's escape proof.

Spider - Anywhere from £3 for a spiderling, up to £120+ for a fully grown Goliath Bird Eater. Personally I'd go for a juvenile as these are easier to care for than babies. Avoid adults as they may be old, or wild caught.

Heat Mat - Put it under the floor of the tank if it's a ground dwelling or arboreal spider, or tape it to the outside of the back of the tank if it's a burrower (burrowers dig to escape heat)
They cost about £12 for a small one, £25 for a huge one. Mines lasted 20 years and needs replacing now really.

Crickets - £2.50 a box. Lob a slice of potato in the box for them to eat and my crickets last around a month a box, sometimes more!

Substrate - Vermiculite is fine for the majority of tarantulas, at about £3 a bag (enough for a big tank at least) Burrowers will appreciate some peat as vermiculite is too soft to dig in. I go through a bag of vermiculite every 6 months if that!

Water Dish - I just use a shallow ceramic dish topped up daily - infact something like a fish food container lid or similar will do!

So as you can see, hardly and expensive pet. :)
 
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