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I came accross this interview from someone who worked with Vanguard:
http://www.f13.net/index.php?itemid=561
Was quite a good read.
http://www.f13.net/index.php?itemid=561
Was quite a good read.
Edinho, your comments are laughable. If SOE had any ounce of business sense whatsoever, they would have listened to and respected the comments of the majority of their player base. Instead they charged in and made massive changes at the loss of a huge amount of players. They had loads of players in SWG that loved the game before, and now they have vast percentages lower, all as a direct result of their crappy changes. Then they fail to see reason and continue onward, oblivious to the fact that the changes are actually terrible and have screwed up their business. Yeah, so they definitely know how to run a business it would seem.
Subs don't mean everything but subs are a direct reflection of just exactly how good a game is. If it isn't appealing to the masses then what is the point in running it exactly? SOE could so easily regenerate many of their lost subs if they just accepted that they screwed up and changed SWG back to the way it was when the hundreds of thousands of people loved it. People that aren't playing it anymore and despite SOE still having a name on it, might go back to play it, albeit rather cautiously. Instead they carry on regardless, making more and more mistakes as they go on. That's not good business sense at all. Customer is king but not in SOE's mind.
SOE do get a fair bashing and to be honest, they completely deserve it given the way that they have behaved with SWG. I agree about Vanguard, it was a flop from the start and they tried to save it, but they should have had the common sense to realise that if they couldn't even save SWG, they had no hope with Vanguard. SOE are just in it for the money, but their ideals are somewhat warped.
Subs don't mean everything but subs are a direct reflection of just exactly how good a game is. If it isn't appealing to the masses then what is the point in running it exactly? SOE could so easily regenerate many of their lost subs if they just accepted that they screwed up and changed SWG back to the way it was when the hundreds of thousands of people loved it. People that aren't playing it anymore and despite SOE still having a name on it, might go back to play it, albeit rather cautiously. Instead they carry on regardless, making more and more mistakes as they go on. That's not good business sense at all. Customer is king but not in SOE's mind.
SOE do get a fair bashing and to be honest, they completely deserve it given the way that they have behaved with SWG. I agree about Vanguard, it was a flop from the start and they tried to save it, but they should have had the common sense to realise that if they couldn't even save SWG, they had no hope with Vanguard. SOE are just in it for the money, but their ideals are somewhat warped.
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what he said.
I saw what happened to swg and it was without a dought ridiculous, they saw wow coming over the hill and were pushed by lucasarts to turn it into something that would attract more subscribers, ie dumbing down, what they did not see is they had a loyal player base pre cu that just wanted things fixing and some new content adding, and lets face it they have soooo much starwars content they could have drawn on to make that content, and as a result it flopped big time
If they had kept it as it was and added new content and bugfixes and maybe a graphics overhaul they would have attracted all the players that get fed up of wows childish gaming experience and might have done alright in the long run.
It did stop me playing it tho which is probbably a good thing, it was very addictive pre cu.
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SOE did the same with Planetside with the BFR's (Massive robots). It was the beginning of the end and subs must have dropped about 75% in the space of a few months. Then instead of removing them, they nerfed them until they were unusable since they were so weak. This added to the fact that people's FPS got LOWER with every single patch. Literally. Even if the patch had nothing to do with graphics. People have gone from being able to play on a Geforce3 graphics card, 512mb RAM and a 2ghz AthlonXP at release (where there were MORE players) to it being less than 30fps with a modern day system. If you have any less than 2GB RAM then you get massive stutters all the time. But of course being SOE they just deny there is a problem 
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Sorry for the rant but it was such an awesome game before and they ruined it
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I also played SWG just after the combat upgrade came out and was bored in a few weeks after the novelty wore off and I realised I would never become a jedi since they made it so much of a grind and bounty hunters were so much stronger than them anyway it didn't make sense to do it.
.Sorry for the rant but it was such an awesome game before and they ruined it
.I also played SWG just after the combat upgrade came out and was bored in a few weeks after the novelty wore off and I realised I would never become a jedi since they made it so much of a grind and bounty hunters were so much stronger than them anyway it didn't make sense to do it.
SWG died the day the first Jedi apeared and it turned out to be no "magical, mystical" path - just a grind through the proffessions until you unlocked.
Vanguard was released and quite simply failed to be the game it could have been and should have been.
Vanguard was released and quite simply failed to be the game it could have been and should have been.
Edinho said:So my Ford Escort is better than my next door neighbours Porsche. I'm sure he'll be pleased.
Yeah cos you subscribe to your Ford Escort and he subscribes to his Porsche, as do countless others. I'll have whatever you've been smoking man
We're talking games here, not cars. There's a slight difference, especially when subs are in the sense of amount of subscribers of an MMO, which are practically the life and soul of it. Without subscribers, an MMO is doomed to fail. Just entertaining your comment a little, I'm fairly certain that you didn't pay the same amount of money for your Escort that your neighbour spent on a Porsche, whereas in MMO's the price is unified. Your example is so stupidly far off the mark it makes absolutely no sense, in context and out.
If you have nothing useful to bring to the thread, then simply don't reply. It really is that easy...
I agree with Stoofa. I played SWG pretty much since the start of the EU launch, and it was definitely killed by Jedi. The unlock system was something I was interested to see working, but sadly that never happened and instead the game became an uber-grind if you wanted to be a Jedi. I never bothered after using my holo and it told me to master Image Designer. Bugger that lol! I stayed as a Teras Kasi / Master Doc for the duration of my time in the game. It was by far the most enjoyable template I had tried in the game.
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I dont think the jedi's killed SWG, if people wanted to waste their time grinding to be a jedi that was fine, especially seeing as if the jedi died 3 times you'd lose it.
I think a more random approach would have been better, a set of quests that became available to anyone over a year old that resulted in a visit to a jedi temple. At that temple you had a test and say only one person in a thousand passed and became a jedi.
I think a more random approach would have been better, a set of quests that became available to anyone over a year old that resulted in a visit to a jedi temple. At that temple you had a test and say only one person in a thousand passed and became a jedi.
MNuTz said:
I don't think they should've had jedi in SWG, although it didn't kill it I think the idea of all those jedi in the timeline is daft. I would've preferred an Old Republic game (perhaps using the NGE) and leaving the old SWG the way it was with bug improvements. Then everyone should've been happy.
However, now that jedi are a starting class (and one I'm playing with as it seems the best to solo as I'm new to the game) even I think there are too many about. I'm on the Europe-Chimera server and it seems the majority of current players is a jedi.
For the future it seems that the devs are concentrating on persuading the veterans to return to the game, although I don't know how they're going to do that short of a roll-back, which isn't going to happen after nearly two years. The "new" beast master seems to be a step towards that.
Im playing SWG again after a 2 month break and i can confidently say that last night i had some of the best PvP ive had in game for a very long time. People can slate the ass out of it for all i care, ive got some good mates on vent and a cracking guild and the galaxy is far from dead by any means !
I love my little Mon Cal officer dude
Long live the rebellion
I love my little Mon Cal officer dude
Long live the rebellion