Sold the F-Type V8S - Replaced with something subtle ;)

pioneer2000 · 23 Dec 2013 at 15:40

Little confusing as when you posted about the Jag originally, you claimed it was really good and didn't feel heavy at all :confused:

Now it's heavy, boring and poor quality.

Kenai · 23 Dec 2013 at 15:51

[ui]ICEMAN;25532526 said:
I can't say the value is what made me change, it's just one factor. The jag was a good car but it is very heavy, the chassis is dead and there's not much character to it. Basically it lacked any sense of occasion.

[ui]ICEMAN said:
495hp from a supercharged 5L V8 with an absolutely insane exhaust. I cannot begin to explain to you how epic the sound is, no video will do it justice, it's simply stunning. It makes my Aston Martin seem quiet and tame in comparison.

Overall, I'm really impressed with it, build quality is great, it's comfortable, handles beautifully and is *very* fast. It's already been clocked by some mags at 3.6 to 60 and I'd have to say, once rolling, it's as fast as my GT-R was at least, if not slightly quicker.

So what changed?

pioneer2000 · 23 Dec 2013 at 15:55

That IS a massive 180.

MooMoo444 · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:06

Kenai said:
So what changed?

Cleared up by the first line of the topic.

Kenai · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:08

MooMoo444 said:
Cleared up by the first line of the topic.

Well not really, given the part I quoted says 'I can't say the value is what made me change'

Besides that, my post was more getting at how one goes from describing something as 'absolutely insane', 'simply stunning', 'handles beautifully' to 'chassis is dead' and 'not much character'

wingman · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:17

Read between the lines... "I fancied a change".

And no bad thing.

The cars displayed in these threads are generally gorgeous and it certainly beats the threads such as "spec me a £1,500 family car with ~400bhp, needs to be comfortable, sporty, 50mpg+ and handles like **** to a blanket".

And opinions are allowed to change over time.

MooMoo444 · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:18

Kenai said:
Well not really, given the part I quoted says 'I can't say the value is what made me change'

Besides that, my post was more getting at how one goes from describing something as 'absolutely insane', 'simply stunning', 'handles beautifully' to 'chassis is dead' and 'not much character'

Ah yeah fair enough, I didn't compare your quotes in honesty, just answered your question

Maybe the novelty wore off. For someone who has the luxury to experience these cars, 'the grass is always greener' seems very appropriate. A new car is always more fun than the last.

Kenai · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:20

wingman said:
And opinions are allowed to change over time.

I'm not saying they're not, I just wanted a bit of expansion as the opinions expressed have been almost completely polarised, it would be interesting to hear a bit more about why.

It's not a crime to ask questions on a discussion forum :confused:

wingman · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:24

Kenai said:
I'm not saying they're not, I just wanted a bit of expansion as the opinions expressed have been almost completely polarised, it would be interesting to hear a bit more about why.

It's not a crime to ask questions on a discussion forum

Mine was a general point and not directly aimed at your post <3

Kenai · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:25

wingman said:
Mine was a general point and not directly aimed at your post <3

Oh ok *e-hug*

Skidder · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:33

I like the interior. I don't know anything about Ferraris but I am sure it is ace.

[ui]ICEMAN · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:34

I'll clarify a bit for you all as I can see how the two posts can be taken as opposites yet in reality they're not quite that far adrift.

The F-Type is a heavy car, we all know that. What I will say, is that it hides its weight very well and handles exceptionally. To those of you that have driven a Ferrari or similar, you'll understand how a good handling car can not always be quite as interesting, lively or fun as something like the F430.

My quote about the lack of character is just that and I would've never denied that from the get-go. In fact, that was one of the major reasons I was struggling with the F-Type decision when I bought it, coming from the Aston Martin.

Overall, my opinion on the F-Type hasn't changed at all. I will say from having put 4k miles on it that its weight, while hidden well and combined with the steering, tends itself to a bit of a numb drive. I wanted something a little more exciting to drive and a 430 spider definitely fits that bill. I liked the interior on the F-Type too but as I mentioned in my decision thread, it's nowhere near the quality of the Aston Martin, they did cheap out in a few places.

Basically, I enjoyed the F-Type, I'd probably have another one sometime but I was ready to move on. I was actually going to buy an Audi R8 instead but we stopped by the Ferrari dealer on the way - you can see what happened!

Kenai · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:43

[ui]ICEMAN;25535567 said:
I was actually going to buy an Audi R8 instead but we stopped by the Ferrari dealer on the way - you can see what happened!

If you're going to impulse buy, best to do it properly!

Thanks for the explanation, makes it a bit more clear.

[ui]ICEMAN · 23 Dec 2013 at 16:48

hurfdurf said:
How are Jag failing you, by just selling a lot of cars or is there something else? I've noticed that with high end owners, they feel that the manufacturer has a responsibility to keep the residules higher for their owners, although it works both ways. A friend if mine was selling a hyper car and was phoned by the manufacturer and told that they were selling it too cheaply on the second hand market, their response was "well then buy it back off me for more", funnily enough they didn't.

Absolutely love the Ferrari, surprised to see you in an older model though. The interior is gorgeous and I think the yellow convertable aspect is perfect for where you are. Congrats, much prefer it to the Jag.

Residuals are actually a major consideration when buying a high end car. Some manufacturers get it right, look at the 458 for example, supply is controlled and demand is kept very high because of it. As such, residuals stay quite high.

Both Aston Martin and Jaguar play the same game in that they love to throw money at the cars to make them move off the forecourt. Case in point, AM were giving $20k incentive off MSRP to every dealer just to sell more cars. Jag are now doing the same but $10k for the F-Type. No-one wants to lose money but when you've just stumped up $110k for a car and you go to trade it in, only to be told "we're selling brand new ones for $10k off or more", it's frustrating. If it's such a hot car, it shouldn't need money thrown at it to make it move. There are 1200 F-Type's for sale now in the US whereas back in August, there were less than 2 spare cars per dealer.

Mclaren did the same thing with the MP4-12C. The Asian market fell through and they dumped all the cars into the US causing an overnight $30-50k drop in prices. Things are only just starting to recover now as for a while you could buy a brand new MP4 stickered at $270k for less than $195k. That wouldn't be an issue except for the fact that their major competitor, the Ferrari 458 is still trading at sticker price or higher for used ones!

Rilot said:
Nice.
I didn't even know you could get these with a manual transmission. I approve.

They're very rare apparently, I thought I was rather lucky to find it. The car had only come into the dealer 24hrs prior to my visit!

Skywalker said:
Dave I emailed you a couple months ago but got no reply , We were in Florida for the whole of November .

I'm so very sorry if I missed that. I normally respond to your emails as you know but I don't recall seeing this one. I was dealing with a pretty major family emergency in November but that's no excuse. If you're out this way again for any reason I'll take you out for dinner

Vita · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:00

I like it. If I was able to buy a Ferrari, it would be rosso red with the cream interior.

Cosimo · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:04

Love the colour, love the car. It looks great. :cool:

Gibbo · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:17

[ui]ICEMAN;25535567 said:
Overall, my opinion on the F-Type hasn't changed at all. I will say from having put 4k miles on it that its weight, while hidden well and combined with the steering, tends itself to a bit of a numb drive. I wanted something a little more exciting to drive and a 430 spider definitely fits that bill. I liked the interior on the F-Type too but as I mentioned in my decision thread, it's nowhere near the quality of the Aston Martin, they did cheap out in a few places.

Basically, I enjoyed the F-Type, I'd probably have another one sometime but I was ready to move on. I was actually going to buy an Audi R8 instead but we stopped by the Ferrari dealer on the way - you can see what happened!

If you bought an R8, you'd probably would have sold it in less than a month.

So in short you wanted something more agile with more feel which was not numb, so why not just take the wifes Boxster out?

thewanted · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:38

Gibbo said:
If you bought an R8, you'd probably would have sold it in less than a month.

So in short you wanted something more agile with more feel which was not numb, so why not just take the wifes Boxster out?

Isn't the Boxster long gone? Pretty sure they swapped it for some sort of fancy Audi (S5?) a few months back.

^JP^ · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:46

Gibbo whats wrong with the R8?

Would I be crazy to be considering a 6 speed V10 coupe as an "upgrade" from the GTR next year?
Bearing in mind I like the GTR and don't want something that will kick my ass but wouldn't mind something European that makes a nice sound.

I haven't driven one yet myself and only sat in one for a bit at the dealership while waiting for my brother (he has an RS3).

Sorry for a bit off topic!

Gibbo · 23 Dec 2013 at 17:54

^JP^ said:
Gibbo whats wrong with the R8?

Would I be crazy to be considering a 6 speed V10 coupe as an "upgrade" from the GTR next year?
Bearing in mind I like the GTR and don't want something that will kick my ass but wouldn't mind something European that makes a nice sound.

I haven't driven one yet myself and only sat in one for a bit at the dealership while waiting for my brother (he has an RS3).

Sorry for a bit off topic!

R8 V10, nice car, but to drive on road or track, the GTR absolutely mullers it, I know being out on a drive with a 997 C2S, R8 V8, R8 V10, GTR and in short the GTR mullered everything, the V10 R8 was quicker than the V8 version but only on straights. I've driven the V8 version, the handling was lovely, but the car did not feel particular quick, the V10 does address this but at the expense of the handling a little, same guy who had V8, test drove V10 too and made this comment. The V8 one handles better, but is well slower than a 997 C2S in a straight line, which this kind of car should be quicker.

For me all the R8 V10 has over the GTR is looks, it is very bling bling, sound track, better finish/build quality and OK it feels a little more natural to drive, so its an improvement, but ability wise the GTR crushes it.

If you want something a little better, then I suppose R8 will do it for you, what I will say is don't buy a 911 Turbo, I found that less involving that the GTR in the wet, but in the dry I'd say the 911 is about the same as GTR. Dunno what it is in the wet but 911 just was too good and too easy, more so than GTR, maybe less weight being the reason.

So many cars m8, test drive them, I'd recommend in that money range 997.2 GT3, best of them all!!!! But if your not a Porsche guy try the new BMW M4, sounds amazing, or if you are a Porsche fan but don't want a GT3 the 991 C2S has depreciated loads or look at the 997.2 GTS, potentially the best road car Porsche have made.

In the 50k-80k price range there is so many cars man, maybe even an F430 can be had for that money, just test drive what takes your fancy.