Poll: Some proposals to sort out Formula One
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Soldato
100% agree with the refuelling and qualifying rules.
One thing i would modify with regards to qualifying is that they would have 12 or however many laps to qualify with but in the 1 hour session, they would need to use a certain amount in the first half of qualifying, therefore keeping the old style of qualifying but still keeping the crowd entertained as there would be cars on the track.
One thing i would modify with regards to qualifying is that they would have 12 or however many laps to qualify with but in the 1 hour session, they would need to use a certain amount in the first half of qualifying, therefore keeping the old style of qualifying but still keeping the crowd entertained as there would be cars on the track.
1 - POINTS.
Ten points for first place, three points for tenth. Nothing inbetween. Minimum on-track speed limits to ensure no 'you first' tactics.
2 - AERO
Flat floors between the axles, no winglets of any description and no rear wing.
3 - TECH
4.0 litres N/A or 1.5 litres forced induction.
Active ride, ABS, launch and traction control are all gravy, baby.
Onboard G-meters give a ten second 10krpm limit if you exceed a given limit (5g?) during cornering.
Sequential shift but with a gear lever.
4 - STOPS
Two guns max.
One nut per wheel.
One mechanic per side.
Onboard air jacks.
One 'spare' mechanic to activate jacks and make front aero tweaks/polish the driver's helmet.
No refuelling.
Remember - a vote for penski is a vote for the phrase "All gravy, baby" to be placed into the official rulebook.
*n
Ten points for first place, three points for tenth. Nothing inbetween. Minimum on-track speed limits to ensure no 'you first' tactics.
2 - AERO
Flat floors between the axles, no winglets of any description and no rear wing.
3 - TECH
4.0 litres N/A or 1.5 litres forced induction.
Active ride, ABS, launch and traction control are all gravy, baby.
Onboard G-meters give a ten second 10krpm limit if you exceed a given limit (5g?) during cornering.
Sequential shift but with a gear lever.
4 - STOPS
Two guns max.
One nut per wheel.
One mechanic per side.
Onboard air jacks.
One 'spare' mechanic to activate jacks and make front aero tweaks/polish the driver's helmet.
No refuelling.
Remember - a vote for penski is a vote for the phrase "All gravy, baby" to be placed into the official rulebook.
*n
Soldato
How about no pit crew at all. The driver has to get out and do his own pitstop? 
Associate
I haven’t a got of time to write a full response to this subject, but I will that say that although F1 has massive issues, the championship will be decided in the last race for the second year running – that can only be a good thing.
Has that ever happened in F1 before?
Although my rose-tinted specs love ‘old school’ F1, I didn’t enjoy having the championship decided half-way through the season; who benefits from that?
Has that ever happened in F1 before?
Although my rose-tinted specs love ‘old school’ F1, I didn’t enjoy having the championship decided half-way through the season; who benefits from that?
Caporegime
Some interesting suggestions there JRS, i particularly like the points one, thats a bit more like nascar isnt it?
Soldato
It's happened plenty of times before. The vast majority are decided in the last race.
When it isn't it means the FIA has ****** up. Either because their rules were too lax and allowed one team to gain a significant advantage or because they weren't proactive enough about dishing out penalties to the best driver (like they have this season) to keep him more in line with his rivals.
When it isn't it means the FIA has ****** up. Either because their rules were too lax and allowed one team to gain a significant advantage or because they weren't proactive enough about dishing out penalties to the best driver (like they have this season) to keep him more in line with his rivals.
How about no pit crew at all. The driver has to get out and do his own pitstop?
I like you. Want to be my 2IC?
*n
Caporegime
You shouldnt be penalised for being the best!
Soldato
But likewise... F1's sponsors shouldn't be shortchanged by one or two vital races of publicity simply because their year of sponsorship has a driver/team that is dominating 
Caporegime
when you are sponsoring someone/thing, you are paying for what you are getting. the more you pay the more publicity you expect 
The championship has gone 'down to the wire' on 23 occasions so far. Out of 58. So no, NathanE - not the "vast majority"
The first two - '50 and '51 - were both won at the last round. '58 and '59 were. '67 and '68 were. '81, 82, '83 and '84 were. '96, '97, '98 and '99 were. '06 and '07 were, making three-in-a-row for '08 (though '06 was pretty much done before Brazil since Alonso only needed a single point).See, I'm funny like that. I couldn't give a toss when the championship is won as long as the best driver won it. Schumacher took the title in 2002 at round 11 (France) - this wasn't a problem, he'd clearly been so far ahead of the field that he almost lapped himself on occasion. Ditto for 2004 - under the old points system (10-6-4-3-2-1) I'm sure he'd have won it a lot earlier than round 14.
Championships only need to be close when the on-track action is a bit sub-par. And I don't think anyone would call some* of the races (read: processions) we've had this year "exciting" or "action packed". Now, if you have a year with great on-track action in every single race AND the title goes down to the wire, then you've cracked it - Formula One is once again the pinnacle of motorsport. What we have right now....just isn't.
1993 was probably the last truly great year. Senna versus Prost, the upcoming Schumacher and Hill, the cars were hugely advanced with a range of different engine designs (V8s, V10s, V12s rather than all just V8s) so the races even sounded more exciting. 22 drivers scored at least one point out of the 35 who entered at least one race.
Then Prost retired. All the high tech stuff that the teams had developed was banned. Ratzenberger and Senna died. Barichello and Wendlinger both took heavy knocks, as did Lehto, Alesi and Montermini. The cars and tracks were butchered, and the old panache of F1 was gone to be replaced with the new safety uber alles era.
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* - reckon I should clarify that, knowing this forum. When I say "some" of the races this year have been poor I mean just that - some of them. Not all of them.
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Associate
My (albeit hasty) calculations show that (since 1980) 15 championships have been won before the last race, certainly a lot less than 'the majority'.
Sounds about right to me.
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There is a lot of NASCAR in that. Simply because the NASCAR points system encourages drivers to rack up bonus points. Under the pace car, you're near the back and everyone in front of you is pitting? Stay out. Get a lap led before coming in. There's five points for you.
Back when F1 gave a bonus point for the fastest lap, it actually meant something when a driver put in a hot lap near the end of the race. Christ, Mike Hawthorn won his title by racking up points that way!
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Soldato
I don't think there will be any controversial penalties in Brazil. The FIA has done their part now by ensuring it goes to the last race.
If they wanted they could have penalised LH in China for reversing in the pit lane or any other micro detail they could find a fault with. But they didn't need to because they knew that he would need to be pretty bloody lucky to win it in China.
If they wanted they could have penalised LH in China for reversing in the pit lane or any other micro detail they could find a fault with. But they didn't need to because they knew that he would need to be pretty bloody lucky to win it in China.
You could have put anyone in comparison to Max and I would have voted for them over him.
There's a reason why he is still in F1 and why McLaren are getting a hard time. The dossier, the sex scandal, the apologies, the press digs, it doesnt take a genius to see that Max thinks McLaren are to blame for all his problems.
There's a reason why he is still in F1 and why McLaren are getting a hard time. The dossier, the sex scandal, the apologies, the press digs, it doesnt take a genius to see that Max thinks McLaren are to blame for all his problems.
Sshh. Most folks would rather carry on thinking that the FIA are massively pro-Ferrari, rather than merely anti-McLaren
Mostly b) IMO. I still maintain that it could be BMW, or Torro Rosso, or even Honda in some strange parallel universe who benefit from McLaren getting more than their fair share of odd decisions going against them. It just so happens that Ferrari are up there and will always be the first to gain an advantage from Max's possible vendetta right now.
As far as truly questionable calls go, though - how many this year actually have been off? Spa, obviously. China T1, maybe. But the penalty from qually in Malaysia was richly deserved, as was the grid penalty in France for the pitlane muppetry in Canada. The chicane hopping in the race in France was also pretty much on the money - McLaren have been at this game a while now, they ought to have told Hamilton to give the place back.
Still, what's done is done. Hamilton about has this title sewn up bar mechanical gremlins (unlikely) or him completely losing his head (also unlikely).
As far as truly questionable calls go, though - how many this year actually have been off? Spa, obviously. China T1, maybe. But the penalty from qually in Malaysia was richly deserved, as was the grid penalty in France for the pitlane muppetry in Canada. The chicane hopping in the race in France was also pretty much on the money - McLaren have been at this game a while now, they ought to have told Hamilton to give the place back.
Still, what's done is done. Hamilton about has this title sewn up bar mechanical gremlins (unlikely) or him completely losing his head (also unlikely).
Soldato
cant believe there talking of going to 1 make of engine(so they said on tv on sunday)
cant see it ever happening
another max mosley crap idea to save money
cant see it ever happening
another max mosley crap idea to save money