Poll: Some proposals to sort out Formula One

Should JRS replace Max Mosley as FIA President?

  • Yes

    Votes: 139 79.9%

  • No

    Votes: 35 20.1%
  • Total voters
    174
ShakenNstirred said:
cant see it ever happening
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I can, sadly. The economic downturn has given Mosley the excuse to push crap ideas like that onto the sport, and he might just get some of them through.

Like I said in one of the race threads on here - with standard wings, standard floors, standard suspension and standard engines being mooted, Colin Chapman must be turning in his grave.
 
He just wants Mercedes to leave so McLaren get shafted.

Mercedes' second biggest reason for being in F1 is for the "omg look at our reliable our engines are compared to everyone elses!"

</cynic> :p

The FIA seems to have these knee jerk reactions every few years. They just try to completely overkill the problem. I would not be surprised if by 2011 when all these changes are likely to be finished that the sport is already either dead because they were too slow to react to the economic downturn OR the economic downturn has halted and things are mostly fine again.

What they don't realise is that every time they make these changes it costs money. To introduce a new ECU alone cost everyone except McLaren a **** load in development time to get the new ECU working and performant with their car. So just imagine how much it will cost each team to setup a new engine!

I don't see the point of allowing teams to manufacturer their own standard-spec engine either. Why? Why would Mercedes or Ferrari want to produce some other company's, no doubt flawed - in their eyes, engine? It's not like it would actually BE their engine in terms of reliability or performance because all of those features would be tightly locked down by the specification.

You have to wonder what all the talk of "customer cars" was about a year ago. Because now all of a sudden they seem to love the idea and want to even turn current constructors in to what would effectively be customer cars!

If these changes go ahead then they might as well just run the WDC and not the WCC. The WCC would be largely pointless.
 
I really don't get the customer car situation. I don't get why it was ever considered a bad thing - given that Max himself was one of the founders of March, who supplied more than a few teams with chassis over the years. I know Williams were whining about it, but given that they started out in this business with - who'da thunk it? - a customer chassis then they probably should have been told to shut the **** up :)
 
Personally I'm against customer cars. I don't see why a team should be able to buy almost an entire car off the shelf. I think every team on the grid should be unique.

All the people saying how good it was to see "Minardi" win in Turkey are idiots. Their car is a copy of Redbull Racing - even looking at the updates over the season and you see the same things happen (a recent example being the front honda/bmw style nose wing that appeared on both at the same time).
 
Duke said:
Personally I'm against customer cars. I don't see why a team should be able to buy almost an entire car off the shelf. I think every team on the grid should be unique.

All the people saying how good it was to see "Minardi" win in Turkey are idiots. Their car is a copy of Redbull Racing - even looking at the updates over the season and you see the same things happen (a recent example being the front honda/bmw style nose wing that appeared on both at the same time).
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Shhhhh Max maybe listening :eek:
 
Keep T/C away, loose the pit lane closure, don't penalise curb butting but put a wall in the way, keep refuelling, slick tyres, loose the development ban, ditch compulsory common parts, more than one tyre manafacturer, less rear wing/splitter, no RPM limit, engines should last all season, sack every steward who hasn't competed in F1, sack every steward who is taking back handers from Ferrari, goose Bernie, bring back Murry Walker, keep max mosley, rename the FIA to something English since the French think a GP is too expensive...
 
"FOTA are working urgently on further proposals for 2010 and thereafter."

But while the statement did not detail any specific measures, autosport.com understands that four key points were agreed:

- Engine life will be increased from two to three races from 2009

- Manufacturers must be prepared to make 25 engine units available, at a cost of 10 million Euros, to customer teams

- There will be a further meeting between FOTA members in Brazil to determine testing kilometre limits for 2009, and an agreement in principal on the introduction of a standard KERS unit for 2010 or 2011

- The sport's governing body and FOTA will meet again after the Brazilian Grand Prix to discuss measures to reduce costs related to chassis development and the continuation of the use of customer chassis in the future.
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TheStig1 said:
- There will be a further meeting between FOTA members in Brazil to determine testing kilometre limits for 2009, and an agreement in principal on the introduction of a standard KERS unit for 2010 or 2011
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Interesting....from what I've heard, the FIA - while being quite keen on making the rest of the car standard - weren't overly sold on the idea of standard KERS units.

Max "Yes said:
The FIA therefore intends to keep KERS as a performance differentiator in Formula One and, indeed, increase its importance in 2011.

....snippety snip....

To standardise a new technology which is directly relevant to the biggest single problem confronting road transport - energy efficiency - while allowing continued development in wholly irrelevant areas such as Formula One aerodynamics, is not rational.
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Tell me Max, what is it like on the planet you come from?

Aerodynamics in Formula One are "wholly irrelevant" huh? Well **** me sideways - I could have sworn this was ******* MOTOR RACING. Not building Toyota Priuses. Which, I'm pretty sure, also benefit from aero development regarding lowering the drag co-efficient.

And given that this is Formula One, is this not a slightly odd viewpoint? Standardising wings, floors, suspension and engines, that's okay. Standardising an energy recovery unit, and it's all "woah there! That's crazy talk!".
 
I really aren't looking forward to the days where the F1 paddock is all about "kilowatts" and "megajoules". That will be very sad.

The combustion engine will, in time, just be there for a sound track (the talk of a standard engine starts the process) and eventually there will of course be no engine at all :/

90% of spectators of this sport... if they take away *anything* from a race weekend.. it will be something along the lines of "omg I didn't know how loud these cars are!!" and they'll go tell all their friends and maybe they'll become a F1 fan in the future...
 
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_4378683,00.html

Toyota say they will quit F1 if standard engines are made mandatory.

Not a surprise really. Half the reason these big gun engine manufacturers go into it is for the PR they get of "oh they make F1 engines so my little 1.2 litre Yaris contains F1 technology!" and Mercedes blatently do it for their whole "omg German reliability" line..
 
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