someone complained

Don't worry about it, residents who live opposite complain about the noise of the HGV's at my place of work, yes they are generally loud & can make a house shake!

No matter how much they complain, tbh, theres little that can be done.
 
I wouldn't have posted her name on the net. Bit unfair, she's only doing her job.

Simply get your manager to respond to the mail saying 'the bike is set up as the owner wants it and it is legal, having passed it's compulsory roadworthiness test recently, which includes an excess noise test.

Regards

doran1801's boss'.

i did not think anyone would know her by her 1st name so never thught it would be an issue
 
Apart from sounding orgasmic race cans or systems add quite a lot of power.. I'd prolly lose a good 6-7bhp if I went back to stock, and would also sound like a sewing machine.
I'm not a huge bike nut but be honest does that 6-7 bhp make a noticeable real world difference? Fair enough if your a track racer your going to appreciate it but in every day riding conditions?

I've never swapped a pipe for MOT, I don't drive any slower or faster irrespective of what i'm riding or driving, it's all based on the road conditions, location, time of day and perceived risk, i'm very surprised other road users consider noise to be one of the factors that would affect driving speed :confused:
My comments are based on what several biker types I know do and at least three of them have to swap there exhaust back to standard each year now the 'dodgy' MOT place they used to frequent has been cleaned up. They also all admit to driving slower with less revs to try and keep the exhaust note down when in built up areas or in the precence of anything resembling a copper.

Performance wise i'd hardly describe going from 130bhp to 150bhp on something that weighs less than 180kg to be comparatively small but then again an indicated 160mph to 180mph doesn't do you much good at 70mph on a dual carriage way but the extra miles out of a tank from having optimum fuel mapping does make sense along with a more liner power and torque delivery that's not been programmed with the 'How can we get this through emissions reg's ? I know we'll retard the timing and fuel delivery at the start of the first three gears' pov.
If your riding on the public roads within the safe limits of both the road and the conditions I'm not sure that the extra 20BHP is going to be hugely noticeable as it's not like you were lacking before hand? The second half of this comment sounds more like a re-map than a sports exhaust which could have been achieved even with the standard pipe but that could be my lack of bike knowledge ;)

Perhaps now while you still don't agree with sports exhausts you may at least see who some of us choose to fit them in conjunction with other modifications.

Can see the point if your a track day/race nut but can't really see the need for making a very very fast raod bike a tiny little bit faster when it's highly unlikely your pushing it to it's standard limits anyway.
 
I'm marvelling at the idea that some people seem to have of 'road legal' meaning 'untouchable by my employer when parked on their premesis'...

There are plenty of otherwise legal behaviours that would lead to problems if you do them at work.
 
I'm marvelling at the idea that some people seem to have of 'road legal' meaning 'untouchable by my employer when parked on their premesis'...

There are plenty of otherwise legal behaviours that would lead to problems if you do them at work.

True, but in this context - if the bike is legal in it's current state (I don't mean has a valid MOT) and he's not sat there revving it and blasting off etc - can the employer force him to change the exhaust or ban it from the premises?

Of course there is somewhere to meet in the middle, the OP could park it further away from the building (where possible), or stop the engine whilst not as near to the building etc.
 
I'm marvelling at the idea that some people seem to have of 'road legal' meaning 'untouchable by my employer when parked on their premesis'...

There are plenty of otherwise legal behaviours that would lead to problems if you do them at work.
This.

Just because something is strictly legal doesn't mean you're not annoying people with the noise. My aftermarket exhaust on my car is 100% legal, but I doubt my neighbours would be too pleased if I drove it spiritingly past their house at 3am.

If it were me I'd just park further away to keep the peace.

True, but in this context - if the bike is legal in it's current state (I don't mean has a valid MOT) and he's not sat there revving it and blasting off etc - can the employer force him to change the exhaust or ban it from the premises?
I doubt his employer can force him to do anything, but they can impose their own restrictions on their privately owned land (including the carpark) if they wanted to, and even make it a contractual obligation to follow said restrictions. At best you wouldn't be looked upon too favourably in the workplace if you went against it, is it really worth the aggro?
 
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In some ways I think it's better a motorbike has a loud exhaust because then theres more chance of noticing its there. Just have a chat with the lady in question and point out it is legal, and ride on and off the premesis at low revs.
 
This.

Just because something is strictly legal doesn't mean you're not annoying people with the noise. My aftermarket exhaust on my car is 100% legal, but I doubt my neighbours would be too pleased if I drove it spiritingly past their house at 3am.

If it were me I'd just park further away to keep the peace.

I doubt his employer can force him to do anything, but they can impose their own restrictions on their privately owned land (including the carpark) if they wanted to, and even make it a contractual obligation to follow said restrictions. At best you wouldn't be looked upon too favourably in the workplace if you went against it, is it really worth the aggro?

I agree, but in this case he's just starting/stopping the engine not racing around on it.
I'm not saying he should ignore the complaint, if it were me I'd offer to park further away or something like that also. I was just under the impression they couldn't force him to do anything?
 
I agree, but in this case he's just starting/stopping the engine not racing around on it.
I'm not saying he should ignore the complaint, if it were me I'd offer to park further away or something like that also. I was just under the impression they couldn't force him to do anything?

They can't force him to do anything if he's willing to leave, they can (almost certainly) find a clause within the contract of employment that could be applied if they wished to try and control his behaviour while on company premesis. (at my workplace, for example, after a couple of incidents it becomes a disciplinary matter if you misuse the company car park such as by parking in a space not allocated to you, or if you disrupt other staff or the companies neighbours as you enter and leave.)
 
ive always been told that idling is bad for an engine when cold and its best just to start it up and keep the revs down untill normal temps are reached.

This is my understanding too. There is no real need to warm up until temp starts rising. Once it is started you can ride it! On idle your oil pressure will not be as high as when you are riding so the oil wont be pumped around as fast.

Once started just ride off but take it easy until it is up to temp. The most engine wear is going to occur on that hitting of the button and then if you were to cane it without letting it get up to temp.

Still think that the person at your works is being pathetic myself though. I have an SP-2 and with an Akro system the bike is a whole different beast so to the person that said pipes aren't worth it you are totally misinformed. Agreed though that there are some cans that are just there for noise and wont really give many gains at all. Full systems and remap however :D
 
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If you pick each section of my post apart and take it without the context of 'in conjunction with other modifications' then ofcourse

I'm not a huge bike nut but be honest does that 6-7 bhp make a noticeable real world difference? Fair enough if your a track racer your going to appreciate it but in every day riding conditions?

My comments are based on what several biker types I know do and at least three of them have to swap there exhaust back to standard each year now the 'dodgy' MOT place they used to frequent has been cleaned up. They also all admit to driving slower with less revs to try and keep the exhaust note down when in built up areas or in the precence of anything resembling a copper.

If your riding on the public roads within the safe limits of both the road and the conditions I'm not sure that the extra 20BHP is going to be hugely noticeable as it's not like you were lacking before hand? The second half of this comment sounds more like a re-map than a sports exhaust which could have been achieved even with the standard pipe but that could be my lack of bike knowledge ;)

Can see the point if your a track day/race nut but can't really see the need for making a very very fast raod bike a tiny little bit faster when it's highly unlikely your pushing it to it's standard limits anyway.

OK you seem to have decided to take my comment about being used in conjunction with other modifications as being a pro stupidly loud exhaust statement. It wasn't. The point I was making is a correctly set up bike (that includes exhaust system, brakes, suspension, tyres, air/fuel mapping, ignition and gearing) is more efficient, gives better torque and bhp delivery thought the rev range in each gear and actually reduces fuel consumption as well as removing the retarding in the first three gears (I have a Suzuki).

The three bikers you know don't seem very bright. A bike going so slowly looks more appealing to a traffic officer than one that's making safe progress in line with the speed limits and road conditions. MOT testers don't check noise levels as of approx 18 months - 2 years ago, it's at the testers discretion if the bike is overly loud to check it and any idiot can remove 'Not for Road use' from an exhaust given 5 minutes with Autosol and a polishing wheel, as to why they'd need to is beyond me, the majority of well designed road legal can's produce very similar results to the full race systems when set up correctly so i don't see why they'd bother :confused:

You ask if a 6-7bhp gain is noticeable, the answer is yes. Most drivers would agree 25-35bhp in a car is noticeable (more or less so depending on the car but we're not talking automotive exotica here), in fact in most cases people pay a lot of money for performance mods in an attempt to deliver those kind of returns. A car weighs ball park of say 1 tonne ? A bike weighs less than a fifth of that, and as such 6-7bhp translates to 30-35bhp on a car. Is that noticeable ?

Then you've got the weight saving. While some bikes have great balance with the weight kept low and relatively centred, a lot don't, worst of all the exhaust is usually on one side or the other unless it's a twin. You'll also find even at normal road speeds a rider will corner one way better than another, if you ask them why they'll normally say it feels more stable in one direction than another. Sometimes it's just personal preference but look at it another way an after market pipe normally weights a fraction of the OE one. With the headers it's a similar story 22lbs of front weight with mild steel or 8lbs with titanium (my own bike). Again 14lbs isn't a lot until you realise it's approx 8% of my bikes weight, now with a full system fitted you're talking about loosing anything from 12-15% depending on the bike.

So now is it usable day to day ? Yes. Here's why: A small minority of other road users have no concept of motorcycles, if it's smaller than them on the road it doesn't exist. They will pull out without warning, they will cut you up, they will try and defy the laws of physics by attempting to occupy the same space as you at the same time. Anything that aid's you avoiding this minority of unobservant drivers is of benefit, be that the ability to go from law abiding and about to be killed to out of the way in a quarter turn of the throttle in any gear or simply because they hear you then i'm all in favour of it. If you're not then that's your right, I don't need you to agree with me and if you do or don't it still doesn't make everything I say right, it's just my opinion but then again i'm the one who did 24,000 miles a year on a bike until recently :)

Back to the OP's issue, could be a genuine assumption by someone who's never been round a bike that the bike is broken and they're trying to be polite and point it out, go with the softly softly approach and explain it's actually working perfectly but mention if it's such an issue for the person complaining then you're open to reasonable suggestions.
 
I'm getting annoyed by all this. In fact I'm going to put a louder exhaust on my car tonight to make more noise at work to annoy everyone :mad:
 
I'm getting annoyed by all this. In fact I'm going to put a louder exhaust on my car tonight to make more noise at work to annoy everyone :mad:
Yep, stunt your career at work and be ostracised by your work colleagues and superiors - way to stick it to The Man!
 
I never realised you could buy legal exhausts for motorbikes, why would anybody want to do that ?

Because it scares people so much more when you cut the baffles out, run it stupidly rich, rev the nuts off it at traffic lights, cut the ignition and then turn it over with a quarter turn on to spit flames ? :D
 
Just because it's got an MOT doesn't mean it's road legal- mine wafts through the MOT every year even though it's not legal (though not especially loud either) And this one most definately isn't legal :D I've heard those pipes, on a mate's bike, they're loud enough to give me flashbacks to Nam :cool: Which I like, personally, but you've got to realise it can annoy people, and if you're doing something that distracts people in the office where you park, then you've got to expect stuff like this.

I'd respond "It doesn't need fixed, the exhaust system works as intended, and it currently has a full MOT"- no more no less, don't get annoyed and don't get overspecific. Especially don't say "It's perfectly legal" when you know fine well it's not ;) Never tell a fib when the truth will do. Chances are, that'll be the end of it.
 
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