Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!

Been offered a rather tempting part ex:

911.1 Turbo S, 63 plate, 44k miles, car is how I'd spec one apart from awful rear wiper:

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I am a little tempted, he wants my car plus 10k his way.
 
How much is it advertised for?

Its not advertised. This is from an advert I posted on PureGT where a lot of supercar owners hang out.
They are all 95k plus online, but all under 25k miles, this has 44k and advertised price does not mean trading hands price.

I am tempted, because Turbo S and would not mind ticking that box but I know it would be a short lived affair as its not my type of car, but if I could do it, then sell it for what it owes me, essentially 85k I'd be happy.

Pictures are from when he purchased car a year ago from OPC, so its still got a years OPC warranty included, wheels with winters and wheels with new PS4S.
 
Just find the 911 so dull in comparison. But I get that you’re very much about the finer points of driving as opposed to it just being a case of Lambo vs Porsche looks and engine.

Trust me guys a 911 Turbo S would not be a keeper, I've driven them and found them quite dull and boring, more capable than a GTR, but a GTR is more fun, that is saying something, the SVR is more fun than both.
It would be a short lived affair, like Golf R, just a Turbo S would not maybe lose me anything and might be easier to sell or get better trade in values been a more popular and more sold car.

Anyway it is early days, car has only been advertised 48hr and already two enquiries, no need to jump yet.
 
Why even bother? Surely it’s easier just to get the car you actually want?

Seems a lot of hassle for a car you’ve already said is dull


Because tick box, I'd still not mind owning one for a month or two and it could be easier to move on, its just a thought, I am not acting on it because the car was only advertised on Saturday, going to see what interest I get over next couple of weeks.
 
70k for yours plus 10 in cash, i guess you could potentially trade this in for a better return than the SVR, provided the bottom doesn't drop out of the 911 market, i'd go for it provided the car doesn't need any work doing.

It has OPC warranty, so one would expect it to be fine.
I've emailed the guy saying I shall think about it, not making any decision yet.

Plus Jaguar have been in touch regarding buying the car, shall see if they are willing to better 67k, doubt it but if they offer me 70k might let it go for ease of transaction.
 
Yeah am just gonna sit on mine, a trader recommended I drop to 69k for a quick sale, but at same time he has a Lambo he wants to sell me. ;)
Must admit its a Lambo I really like, yellow, glass rear panel, forged engine bay, lift, mag ride and NO LDS.
Downsides black wheels and black exhaust tips but not a deal breaker as easily rectified.

I need to get behind the wheel of an LDS and none LDS car though as the feedback is so mixed on the LDS some like it and some do not and some did not like it at first but then grew to love it......
 
*Not that I've tried* I take it you want it without. If its based upon Audi's system (which I assume it is), then CH et al aren't massive fans.

While I touch upon Audi. I take it the new R8 V10+ is not on the radar... saving yourself 40k~(though will loose more on depreciation I'm sure) and keeping the V10 AWD theme or just not what you're looking for?

The R8 is the Huracan's downfall, they are almost identical, well R8 V10 Plus Gen2 anyway. So yes steering feel is a bit meh, no worse than SVR though, but its not Porsche, Ferrari or Mclaren level. R8 is easier to see out off, has more interior room and you can set everything independent, so it has more customisation, though the R8 looks good, I took the less capable SVR instead of one because I found it more fun to drive in some ways and because it was a much rarer option. I rarely see another F-Type around here and I've never seen another SVR on the road but there is less than 200 SVR coupes registered in UK, so its rare.

Just the R8 does not do much for me, they are beautiful cars but I don't want one, does not mean I won't get one as I do like them, just not craving one. I could get a near new R8 V10 Plus Gen2 for around 90k, loads for sale, that is R8's issue depreciation wise, bit like Mclarens, they sold way too many and thus forcing prices down. But in many ways if I went R8 I feel I'd prefer to get a gen1 V10 manual, a proper drivers car and an absolute bargain at 45-55k and to 99% population its still an R8 and looks no different and in some ways better than the new one. Half the price, 80% the performance, more driving fun and hardly no depreciation at this level.

The Huracan is an R8 in a fancy dress, yes they do seem to have shaved out some weight as a Huracan 610-4 weighs 1544kg wet and a 580-2 is 1509kg, plus maybe the gear ratios are different as the Huracan is quite a bit quicker down the quarter mile at around 10.5@135mph so they are properly quick cars, also been clocked at 2.6s to 60mph. Visibility less so and infotainment less but the whole car is on another level event wise, Lamborghini is the poster car, an R8 is not and with cars the emotion they create is half the draw. You either get that or you do not. Still both perform almost identical and are silly fast cars!

Yes depreciation wise a 90-100k R8 V10 Plus gen2 in 2yr will be worth 65-70k easily, they shed money like Mclarens to some extent. If I can get into a Huracan in right spec, around 10k miles for 135k I will be doing very well, same car in 2yr be worth around 120k, not a huge amount in it but instead of a 70k asset I've got a 120k asset on the drive to do as I wish with. :)

LDS adjust the steering ratio, you can also feel it doing it sometimes so I am not sure I want that, Lamborghini understand my concern and have offered me test drives in both if they have used examples available. As its not clear cut as some really rate it because it also does mean you never need to cross your hands on a twisty road or circuit which certainly has some benefit too. Its a bit like the understeer issue, some complain and some say its none existent. The 580-2 had it and at slow speeds I could feel it, however on track it did seem to not interfere and I was in sport mode.

The internet will make you believe a Huracan drives rubbish, rumours are when it was released and press took a load on track Lamborghini put very safe geo on all the cars, no one will ever know truth, but these reviews show the opposite.

These videos are prime examples:




Yes a GT3 will always be the better drive, more precise, more direct and better front-end, but when you put even a GT3 RS next to a Huracan its the Huracan I want to drive. Plus the Huracan is way more of an event to drive at legal speeds, the feel, noise, engine etc. A GT3 only gets exciting at illegal speeds engine wise.

I've also spoken to some owners who are lucky enough to have Huracans and also cars like 458's and GT3 stable mates and on the road the Huracan is the car they take, because like an R8 its planted but its extremely raw too and huge fun because of that and fun at legal speeds.

If I was daring I should buy a 580-2 as more guaranteed to lose no money as I think there is less than 50 in UK, but nice ones are around 170k and sorry at this price level I am just going 30k more and getting a Performante.
I mentioned to Lamborghini I could be interested in a Performante at 200k, a minute later sir we have a Performante and we can do it at 200k for you, well that was easy, but it was no deal, car was black and had the ugly centre lock wheels.

I am still going to consider a Performante but try to get a yellow, green or orange with bronze wheels and for around 180k as I think in 2-3 years when all the financial uncertain and brexit is over they will be worse case 160k but could be 200k plus. :)

Other options is a 570S, but thats guaranteed to lose money, lots of money or a 458 great financially, but its old and well it could get expensive.

What I have discovered Lamborghini as of yet do not offer extended warranties for Huracans, as all are still under warranty, they informed me they plan to offer something later this year for cars purchased via dealers for around £5000 per year the other option is warrantywise platinum with 10k pay out limit for around £3500 per year.


Huracan is favourite for me, 610-4 in yellow or green and I am gonna be aggressive and push for 130-140k, don't want to pay more than 150k, or I just go Performante at 180-200k.
Also what I did like about Huracan, it felt super light to drive, it felt no heavier than the 1430kg GT3, so that is really good!
 
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It needs to work as a daily and an Aventador does not, I also like them to look at, that is about all, my SVR is quicker at Pod, the gear box is from the 1990's in them, maybe bot that bad but apart from a race track a really not so easy car to use on road or live with, not for me at all.

Huracan is the only Lamborghini that interest me, just like in Ferrari's 458 is the only one I'd buy, but I use my cars, I don't park and look at them.
 
Amazing cars but not a daily...unless of course you have a corner sofa.

Apparently the Aventador is worse to drive than the Huracan (less of a drivers car) - not my words. It is a event though with the sounds, the looks and the gearbox kicks unbelievably hard in corsa mode.

I'd find it hard to believe if the Aventador was quicker than a Huracan on a twisty road.

Aventador loses in a straight line too, at VMAX i owned the Aventador, not sure if a 670 or 700 but on a 1 mile run way, they really are not a good car tp use as a daily. All looks and noise, very handicapped on the road. You could literally take a swig of your tea between its gear changes.

Huracan is quicker, better handling and I think a much better looking car, its just more finished. Out of all cars I am looking at Huracan and 570S are shockingly quick cars, way faster than the manufacturers would have you believe, then stuff like GT3 and 458 well my SVR is actually quicker, because the SVR is also a car that is quite a bit faster than Jaguar let on. :)

Huracan is a bit silly, if thrust mode hooks up your talking 2.6s to 60, 5.7 to 100 and mid ten second quarter mile at 130 plus, that is bonkers fast for a 600HP NA car. Supposedly Lamborghini numbers did not use thrust mode, just sport and floor it, which again 3.2s is mighty for just a floor it and go. What I also like about the SVR, no messing around, just floor it, 3.3s to 60 even in wet conditions, yes if you setup the car it can do under 3s by that I mean Vmax mode, put suspension to soft and manually change 1st to 2nd gear knocks a couple of tenths of 0-60 rather than letting the car do itself, be shame if it sells before next Pod as that could in theory give me a 10s pass as I've always let it do the gear changing.

At Pod best Aventador could do the whole day was an 11.2 run again no idea if a 670, 700 or 750, so when a cheap Jaguar says cya, kind of feels good, all down to gearbox, single clutch is simply slow and really hard to launch, I know this well from the single clutch SMG in my M3 is also hard to launch.

Huracan tends to outperform Aventador everywhere including tracks or are very evenly matched.
Great thing about Huracan it feels really light to drive, somewhat compact as its not that wide, same as SVR, just mirrors stick out more and in Corsa it shift quite brutal, as brutal as your gonna get from a dual clutch car, so glad Lamborghini dialled the inertia shift in because it is fun.

The 570S Spyder is the one that might pull me away from Huracan, lighter, open top, just as powerful, more engaging no doubt, downsides really are not NA, noise and fear are some epic depreciation. At 140k 570S Spyder or Huracan 610-4 is probably the real question, they both look proper super cars in their own right.

Performance numbers aside the most important criteria for the next car is fun and occaison along with a weight as close too or under 1500kg, cars becoming too heavy and it hurts the feel and fun on the road.

It is shocking that something like an M2 Competition weighs 1650kg for what is the small car in the range but I guess it gives room for an M2 CSL maybe???
 
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Got to be the Huracan imo, I don't think it will disappoint in any way.

The lack of noise on the 570S does it for me though I still think they look really good.

Why a 570S has to be a Spyder so can have back window down or roof down, at least with Mclaren there is really no penalty for convertible, just 40kg added for mechanism for roof.
 
Would have thought BMW use DIN as their lowest weight i.e. with fluids.

All I can say is I know a guy who has weighed his M2 competition, car had full tank fuel, it had the manual sport seats, bigger brake option and was DCT, no options, it weighed 1642kg on race scales, he said the manuals saves around 20kg.

So to me its a heavy car for the kind of car it is which is BMW's smallest hatch, an M4 is circa 1675kg for comparison, again weighed, so when you consider people called my Mustang a tank for weighing 1708kg with fuel, then well so are these M cars too, but car in general have just become overweight. He also informed me the older M2 was lighter, that was 1577kg, again manual and full tank of fuel. Also his scales showed weight distribution as 53.5/46.5 so getting nose heavy too.

1550kg is the lightest configuration without fuel and potentially other fluids, so manual, sport seats, no options and manual, by the time they are delivered to customers with fuel they are all north of 1600kg.
 
Hi there

So last night I was chatting to a mate (another Jaaag owner) mentioned Huracans and he is like my best mate is the sales guy at Lamborghini Manchester, I will introduce you to each other. Later last night we got chatting, he said he could do mates rates and today I've been driving Lamborghini's. :D

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The Urus was a technological masterpiece, interior is something else and the performance speaks for itself, but that was driven for joy of driving, no interest in that vehicle.

I drove a 610-4 with LDS, my previous experience has been a 580-2.

Bearing in mind it was freezing, wet and slippery the 610-4 was nothing short of incredible, truly capable in such conditions and I drove the car the entire time in Corsa mode.
I could see out of it easily, I could judge it easy and it has a real go-kart feeling to it and feels like your almost sitting on front wheels with their been essentially no bonnet due to the mid engine setup.
Grip levels no problem, I launched it twice on cold wet roads and it hooked up!
Gear shifts are ferocious in corsa mode and serious addictive.
No signs of understeer and the LDS system seemed fine at no point in Corsa mode could I feel it or at any point did the steering not feel natural, not sure about other modes but I would only use Corsa, supposedly Sport is a tad more rear biased for doing skids, but to me in Corsa it felt locked down and planted, car felt very lightweight too mid corner.

It is absolutely a favourite and now having a good contact in Lamborghini helps, I was offered a Performante at 190k which was dismissed because its black, had it been another colour I'd be tempted. He did advice me that unless he can do me a very good deal on a colour I want around 180k its maybe best avoid Performante as there will be a faster version of the EVO to finish of the NA V10, so sounds like the Huracan is coming to an end and next thing will be NA Hybrid or low and forbid crap sounding turbo junk.

But seriously impressed with Huracan, I know its an R8 V10 Plus Gen2, but the excitement level and noise is on another level and this did not even have a sports exhaust. He has said if they supply a car without sports exhaust which is louder than regular, he will sort me a really nice deal on the race exhaust fitted there which is loudest.

It was good to see the colours in the flesh as I was un-decided on whether to go green, orange or yellow, after seeing them all I love all three colours, simply bloody stunning in the flesh though green works best with silver wheels which I like and yellow and orange really need dark/black wheels. He said changing exhaust to chrome tips also no issue. Also purple is a firm favourite too, in the flesh the colour is incredible.

So I've left and given him a target, Huracan with circa 10k miles in preferred colour for under 140k on a 15/16 plate. Or do me a Performante in a colour I like for 180k !


However the decision is not final, as Lamborghini, 12 months warranty, no options to extend officially but warranty wise is £3500 per year with max single 10k pay out limit. Annual service is £1500 - £3000 depending on which service it is, 3rd year is most expensive.


Next one is 458, the one I am looking at is a 2014 so the next three years of servicing are free (7yr service pack) and comes with 2 years warranty as standard which is £2500 to extend with Ferrari afterwards, so servicing and warranty cost the Ferrari saves over 10k, plus they hold pricing better, 458's are very solid. So one of those to drive next.

Then a 570S, I wont buy as to much money to risk losing, but I need to drive! Then drive them all again on track and then decide what to do buy. :)
 
Very claustrophobic inside.


I sat in the SVJ, it really is a car that is built around how it looks, everything else is a compromise. I could not see out of it so well and it felt crazy wide, an Aventador would make a terrible daily and the single clutch is miles behind the dual clutch in Huracan.

I was shock how easy I could see out of and judge the Huracan, if anything it felt quite small and nimble, consider me impressed, if Huracan does prove favourite I shall probably just hire a gen2 V10 plus R8 for 3 days for a grand to just make sure I am happy with driving dynamics as they are essentially identical cars.
 
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