Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!

Mate of mine had the first SVJ from Manchester, he has a Performante already and prefers it I believe.

570S is an incredible driving seat. Vision is superb.


I’m gonna drove 570S if the Huracan felt light then the 570S should feel incredible as I think a 570S is around 1440kg and Spyder is 1480kg whereas Huracan is around 1550kg I’m talking wet weights with some fuel, basically how there driven.

Not sure what a 458 weighs but guessing around 1525kg.
 
£190k is a wild amount of cash.

I’d go with the standard lp-610 coupe, it’s better value than the Performante for sure.

Drive the R8 though. Puts the money into perspective for sure. Especially when you can get them for sub £90k, it’s a big chunk of lambo tax.

If after 458 and 570S Huracan is still firm favourite I’m gonna hire an R8 V10 Plus gen2 as you can get one for around three days for a grand so not cheap but it would give me a lot more seat time and like you say they are essentially same car so if I end up really enjoying living with it then the Huracan would be a goer and if you want a Lambo guess the Lambo tax has to be paid.
 
the colour choice is where it gets tricky, the best colour isn't there, the Challenger has it, it's a battleship grey, i've just sprayed the Kenworth truck in this colour, it looks awesome contrasted with chrome plating esp in MATT grey :eek:
i never liked Matt paint on a car, but it looks brilliant with gloss black or chrome plating, it also looks good on that new Supra or the Aston Martin, it makes a sports car look totally evil. :D

Don't do matt paints on cars at all, the Performante is the matt orange is a near 20k paint option, seeing it next to the gloss orange, give me the gloss orange all day long.
Colour is easy for me they all look superb in gloss green, orange, yellow or purple and would be happy with any.
When spending 150k on a car I need to love it and it needs to be a colour I truly want. So reds, blacks, greys, matt colours, silvers, simply do nothing for me.

The Black Performante is now down to 185k what a bargain for a Performante, but serious I'd never love the car, I am trying to convince myself I could like black because I once had black (Saleen Mustan), but I simply can't see me doing it. I reckon an offer of 175k will probably secure that car.

Also I am aware this is 720S money, but by March they will be 150k and by end of year around 120k, they simply seemed doomed value wise does Mclaren, once 570S are under 100k they will be epic cars if Mclaren have the extended warranties sorted out otherwise they could be a nightmare and cost fortune to own.

Will just leave this here.... :eek:



It might be slowest but financially the Ferrari makes most sense.
It is shielded somewhat from depreciation.
7yr service pack all post 2011 cars have means a 2014 car has 3yr left of free services and they come with 2yr default, plus I am sure its a more focused drivers car over Huracan, which may make it more me but the Huracan was very good and it sounded insane and was just stock exhaust, with the race system be incredible, though the 110db would mean un-silenced track days only.
 
Why not wrap the black performante?

Nope, wraps look terrible close up, I will just buy the colour I want in first place and my feeling is Performante will drop further anyway there is a few for sale but not moving as bit over priced.
I think if I can get colour I want for 180k I may do it as I'd hope the Performante won't dip under 150k in future even when the EVO Performante or Trofeo comes out, as regular Huracans will hold their prices up.

Still Huracan is only favourite because I did not yet drive a 458 or 570S, so no decision yet, planning to buy around April/May ideally.

Bit of a loon in a 458:

 
I always associate Lambo's with being yellow, like Ferrari's are red. That would be my first choice, but they look great in all the other bright colours too. :D


Though I agree, Ferrari is the only red car I'd consider, but is it sacrilege to still prefer yellow?


The classic spec of red, cream seats and red carpets:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...458/ferrari-458-coupe-italia-2dr-auto/9419049


But this is my favourite 458, might be against the norm to get a Ferrari in yellow, but I just love it:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classif...8/ferrari-458-4-5-italia-auto-seq-2dr/9327016
 
They are both gorgeous but I think the Lambo is more eye catching. More of a mad looking car.

The 458 looks much better in yellow

Lambo is more outrageous, Ferrari has more class.

All being well I will have a 458 and a 570S for two days soon with 200 mile allowance on each, so that should be more than enough for me to properly test those two options. :)
 
Lambo's for me need to be Green!

I guess the real question here Gibbo, is that once you've owned a Lambo, where do you go from there? Keep rotating the super/hyper car marques?

Performante if I did not go Performante now, or maybe a Huracan EVO if I stayed in the brand.

Other options would be into a 458 as none other Ferrari interest me, yep I only like 430's and 458's just like in Lamborghini stable I'd only ever want to own a Huracan.

I'd love a 600LT from Mclaren, also 570S Spyder or even 720S but their values are crashing by almost £10,000 per month, I can't afford 10k per month in depreciation.

So there is a few side steps for sure, but not a whole lot of progression, I could have course re-visit my dream of GT3 RS or regular GT3, just right now I don't want another 911 because my 911 was pretty sorted and as amazing as the GT3 is, its not a whole world apart from what I had.


P.S. On colour front, I am just like all 4 colours just look insane, friends, social media, forums all like different too. I guess if i really narrowed it down its a tie between green with silver wheels or yellow with black/dark wheels. But I love the orange and purple so much too I'd really don't care in the flesh my jaw was on the floor looking at them all, it was only the matt colours which did not so much for me and the reds, silvers, whites, blacks I was just finding a bit meh, all the black colour had was if you like the mean bad ass look the black cars looked plain evil.
 
I think once you’ve driven the 458, you’ll be surprised at the difference between the 458 and the Huracan.

The 458 sounds a lot louder (stock) in person than it appears in videos. Classic Ferrari V8 sound. Also found it easier to get in/out, more storage under the front bonnet than the Huracan, and the interior feels a bit more roomy - higher roofline maybe.

I guess one downside is the infotainment is a little dated and more complicated to use. But then I guess the Huracan only has a glorified Audi RNS-E. Sound system seems decent in either though.

Drove the 458 today and albeit on more involving roads all back roads mainly.

Car was a 2011 and sales guy ex tech explained 2010/2011 cars sound best because 2012
Onwards they changed baffles. It was loud in the cabin and it all just sounded natural and on over run sometimes it would gurgle, other times pop and other times rumble.

It felt a real drivers car really engaging and very analogue and again it felt light in weight, this car had buckets and forged wheels so has a weight of around 1480kg with fuel I believe so it’s light.

To drive it felt sorted like my 911 and CSL was but on yet another level, visibility was better and it felt very engaging at low speeds and whereas the Huracan you had to drive seriously quick to somewhat feel engaged the 458 was a lot of fun at legal speeds. Weather was better 10c and dry plus it had PS4S on it and I launched it in 1st just floored it and after the gear box had a moment of delay it was off, did not use LC and car was in race mode.

Drove in wet, sport and race dampening feels great but in wet mode or use bumpy road button car is shockingly good, good dampers and light car.

In a straight line the Huracan would embarrass it I also think the SVR would too, on a roll it might not be too far off though as keep it over 6000rpm and change when the 5 red light appear around 9000rpm the shifts though not as dramatic as the Huracan in Corsa mode were like a rifle bolt.

To drive it feels analogue car that is designed to be driven nothing feels fake or assisted it’s just a pure driving tool.

I’m still gonna hire a Huracan and 458 for a day each to truly decide but I think a 458 is way to go simply for that raw driving and true focus, yeah a Huracan probably leave it for dust, even a GTR would but it felt a proper pointy car that just wants to be driven.

Was also shocked how good it looked in black!

Financially I feel a 458 will hold value best compared to a Huracan and most definitely compared to a 570S. 2yr warranty is nice and of course the servicing is surprising cheap averaging £1000 per year.

The brakes were a little unassisted which takes some getting used but generally preferred as typically more feel.

Car was 139k, buckets, forged wheels, carbon at Stratstone Wilmslow with 15k miles and 4 owners.

80k down, their finance interest only was 7.8% so was £384 per month for 30 months with 59k balloon but any form of over payment allowed. I of course won’t use that as I’ve got a quote of 4% for interest free and I’d also bid them 130-135k if I went for it so be more like £250 per month for 24 months and 55k balloon which I can afford to pay off at the end.

If I did go whole hog and get a Performante then I’d remortgage as be borrowing 120k at around 2% saves a lot.

I’m thinking 458, then maybe Huracan in a couple years and then a 570S Spyder because I suspect a 458 right now will not loose more than 5-10k per year and I feel a Huracan would lose 10-15k and a McLaren 20k plus a year.

Plus cheaper servicing and warranty Ferrari offers is more attractive.

But I need to drive them both again for 24hr each before deciding!
 
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Some amazing cars your looking at. You intending this car to be your DD like the SVR?

Just wondering how your going to make it work. All the miles, leaving it places etc etc.

Yes DD no point in having something nice and parking it.

Had a few nice cars, the Saleen always pulled in crowds and none of my cars have ever been touched or damaged, fingers crossed none of my future ones shall be.

My plan is to buy with 15k or less miles and sell 2yr later with under 30k miles and try to limit depreciation to 10k per year hence going 458 as their values seem very solid. Last NA Ferrari!
 
Hi there

So as I noted yesterday the 458 was nothing short of an incredible drive, it is absolutely more a drivers car and I am really thinking that is where I am going and if I am bored in a couple of years I can re-visit Huracan then when they will no doubt be in the 100-120k region for a good example as prices continue to fall due to production continuing and faster models getting released. 458 values on the other hand are holding very well especially with nice F430's being around 100k, a nice 458 is around 150k.

Here is the one I drove:

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The green 488 was interesting, nice but not a colour I'd go for, showroom was full of stunning cars, lots more photos on my instagram so go there to see them all.

Ferrari's finance quote, not so competitive but gives an idea of how much said car cost with a good deposit.
 
Loving the green! I'm not a fan of black cars personally, too much maintenance for me, though they look stunning when clean. A proper looker though!


I was surprised how good this looked in black if honest, but I think because the spec was so good helped pull it off, the forged grey wheels, an £8000 accessory option, the bucket seats with the larger prancing horse in yellow, the yellow stitching throughout and the yellow calipers and scud shields really pulled it off and the flake in the paint was nice.

A well priced car at 139k, reckon could get a few grand of but not many as its quite well priced and only 14000 miles, the white one they had was also surprisingly really nice but it was really lacking in options but is just a 1 owner and 4000 mile car.


I do need to re-visit Huracan on better roads as this was a much better test drive, maybe even try a 580-2 on the road too as seems been RWD with mid-engine is simply not an issue for putting power down.

I think yellow is favourite in 458 with then a tie between red or black. I am quite fond of the silvers too but that real nice one I showed you has already sold, the 458's are actually selling unlike Huracans and Mclarens.
 
Yes agree, as a passenger in my friends one I noticed that instantly. It’s like there is a connection between the cabin and the engine bay. The sound really travels through where as the huracan was loud but a different kind of loud. Most of the noise coming from the exhaust, which obviously can heard more with the windows down.

That 458 in black with the yellow details looks really good imo.

Huracan would be quicker point to point no doubt, more so from a stand still, but the driving experience in the 458 drive would feel more rewarding I’d guess.


They are both ace and that is why it’s such a hard choice!

Lambo for looks and outright performance!
Ferrari more about the drive for sure.

Neither are exactly slow as I think official times are 10.4s 0-124mph for 458 and 9.9s for the Huracan and of course both have been clocked as much as a second faster than official stats.

I think my SVR officially is 11.4s but again it’s a bit quicker for sure, though off the line the SVR takes them all down it’s brutal 0-30mph!

Both Lambo and 458 felt light I think officially with fuel a 458 is under 1500kg if it has buckets and forged wheels and the 610-4 is around 1550kg so they are quite light certainly compared to Jaaag and could really feel it in test drives.

It’s such a shame SVR never did a lightweight edition coupe SVR as suspect it would be rather formidable if it weighed less but as a road car it’s fabulous.

458 just felt precise and proper kit it felt so raw too but in wet mode and in auto it felt so comfy and well normal car and even in black everyone was staring, Ferrari life!
 
I think you are seeing the 'limitations' of the standard Huracan, as in the criticisms levelled against it at the time versus it's competitors. It just doesn't have the same level of feel and emotion as the Ferrari or even the McLaren, despite being an incredibly rapid car. It's why I've heard many people say the Performante is the car the Huracan should have been from the start. All of the cars on your shortlist are cracking cars, so really it just comes down to subjective factors and how the car makes you feel (plus the small matter of the financials!). I've said before but make sure you drive a McLaren before you discount them purely on the depreciation aspect.


Agreed, think I shall focus on finding the right 458, I do really like the black car but maybe it would be an error and soon regretted and be wishing I got a red or yellow one. Though I think buckets and forged steering wheel are a must.
I certainly do need to re-visit both for a longer period and Ideally I need to keep the budget to 140k for either a Huracan or 458, simply because if I drop 160k, then maybe be stupid if I can get into a Performante for 190k, might as well go the whole hog and all that.
 
I think the 458 looks great in black. I know people say it hides the lines etc, but if the paintwork is looked after properly and it has a proper shine to it, if anything I think it accentuates the lines more than a flat red for example. Looks very purposeful, not shouty. Understated almost (as much as a Ferarri can be)

Looks like it rides quite high for a supercar though, or is it in "speedbump mode"?


Ferrari's have more clearance than Lamborghini where front list is an absolute must. On the Ferrari it is not essential, this car did not have it which if I went for this particular car I'd be a little worried over, hence best to hire one first and test it on my drive and speed bumps into work without lift as that could be a deal killer.

They are pretty much spot on height wise, with the Pirelli tyres there is a touch more arch gap for my liking but once fitted with Michelins as per the black one has arch gap is no longer a worry as Michelin tyres are a little more chunky, or certainly in appearance.

I need to see the colours in the flesh, I'd dismissed white or black, now I've seen them both were pretty wow factor but maybe the design and curves of the 458 mean it can look good in any colour, though colours like green, orange, purple I feel would not suite this car at all, whereas a Lambo looks epic in any colour.
 
458 looks absolutely epic. Must admit the black wouldn't be one of my preferred colours but that close up shot really shows the paintwork quality, however. The green is a bit marmite in my opinion. I'm sure it'd look good on a lambo but it doesn't suit the ferrari. Red and cream interior would be a safe bet or yellow with dark interior too. Thanks for posting the finance sheet as well, from the looks of it is that basically interest only for 30 months then balloon the outstanding, surprised main dealer financing would offer that, I thought it'd be specialist brokers only? I think you'd probably be in region of a15k loss on the 458 after 2.5 years esp as it won't be a garage queen which isn't too bad I don't think. A 570 or even a 720s I can see losing much more. Each to their own but to be a fezza owner has got be a massive tick on the bucket list.


They just rang me, very keen.
Yes I did not even ask for interest only finance, that was how they quoted, my mate can do the same at 4.4%, which is £6700 total interest over 30 months so around £230 a month and no penalty for over payments which Ferrari said was fine but they charge at base rate interest.

Anyway they just offered me 60k trade in on mine, up from 57k on Saturday and there car at 137k, but they will let me keep my car until end of February so if I got more for it, then that is in my pocket. That is the best trade in offer yet only Jaguar offered better (67k) but was against a newer SVR.

I am not biting, I want to see 458's in the flesh in other colours first and I reckon they have 20k profit in the car, so I think they can certainly do 135k, maybe lower at a push and they are coming back to me with a price to retrofit the carbon paddles and carbon dash as those were options I really like and would want to complete the car.

They also did say if any issues regarding dampers (none warranty) early on they would push for a goodwill jesture from Ferrari for replacement at no charge.
 
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