Whats that got to do with you been wrong about Jaguar been Chinese when they clearly are not?
Built here, engineered here, cash flow from India. Very much a British company to me.
Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!
Whats that got to do with you been wrong about Jaguar been Chinese when they clearly are not?
Built here, engineered here, cash flow from India. Very much a British company to me.
Absolutely nothing, I am just telling you that you are wrong and my car is very much British.
What have you got about admitting you were / are wrong?
Yes it is with cash support from India and a factory in China. Heart of design, engineering and manufacturing capabilities is in the UK, it is very much British.
You can't be British mate, that is simply not possible, according to Jigger British and UK no longer make cars.
Thought they were Chinese?
I thought, you thought they were British?
I do, because they are British and thank you.
I guess they must know what they are doing, their thermal slot design, holes in the grooves improves strength and reduces chances of cracking, I am not an engineer but they explained why they do it, as such if your serious about your question drop an email to Wortec [email protected] who can explain to you their reasoning for how they do their thermal slot design and why they do it.
All I can say is from using them, the rate at which they cool down from multiple hard stops from 130mph is seriously impressive and been no issues with dust collecting in the grooves or holes thus far.
Am sure they will be fine, they have same design on GTR's that are doing track work, all Wortec focus on primarily is brake disc design and innovating on how to reduce weight and improve cooling, quite a lot of other cars running their thermal slot design and all seems well, I won't be racing my car or doing a lot of track days and the disc have a warranty with them so should there be an issue I am sure they will resolve it.
I was originally going to go with just plain edge and plain drilled, traditional style as I believed the suncut would look smaller and the grooves would make too much noise. But once on the car I fell for the look for of them and though the grooves create additional braking noise, its only when braking hard from high speeds, so kept this design.
Plus at Santa pod the attention the car got and a lot of comments on how cool the brakes looked, its a unique design and certainly got a lot of good comments, the car had crowds of people around it at times.
Thanks for that post, kind of similar to what Wortec told me, he said groove design, direction, holes are irrelevant as to which direction they go, they are there to keep pad clean and give strong initial bite response and consistent performance.
He said direction of disc is down to internal vane design and they use a new V-gapped design which has proven most efficient in their internal testing.
This design I am running is a design they released a few years back, I am not a guinea pig for a new design, I am literally just guinea pig for fitment to an F-type as until now no 2PC disc existed for F-type, you had to go ceramics at a £12,000 upgrade cost at factory or about £15,000-£20,000 additional cost to retro-fit to save 21kg.
These disc saved me 21.5kg so a slight improvement over ceramics, braking force and pedal modulation is greatly improved, not soley down to disc, uprated pads will help with that and they cost me £1800 fitted which was a bargain in comparison, the regular none discount price is £2085 +VAT for anyone else with an F-Type considering.
I've shed 50kg from the car with the brakes and battery without in any way impacting the cars use ability or creature comforts. In fact it rides better, handles better and stops much better. No more mods due now, just drive the thing and maybe next year tune it and put an SC pulley on it to see if we can get a 10s quarter mile run.
I am pretty much finished now, its got my touch on it now and I am happy with it, maybe some more power next year, for now it will do.
Haha, in fairness its where I want it and the M3 needs several grand spending on it, ah the joy of a track car and one that has an M3 badge, MONEY PIT!
Caterham will be a 3rd car is my thinking at the moment.
Took the M3 to get it setup for track days at Spires Tunings only for him to reject working on the car, as he found following issues:
- As suspected rear braking issue, turns out pad material left the backing plate on rear inside brake pad, amazed how no garage spotted this on numerous times of suspecting an issue with brakes, kind of annoying as its probably ruined the alcon rear disc, a new pair is £1500 if it can't be recovered.
- New set of pads of course, £200 though so nothing extreme.
- Then he removed rear springs, one was over 1/2" shorter than other and he said both had lost their spring rate, as such he recommended replacing them all including helper springs, so ordered a full set from KW, 2x front springs, 2x front helps, 2x rear springs, was expecting that to be about £800 but it was a very fair £385.
- Another set of wheels, something like team dynamics just for track day use, with a set of semi-R's fitted, don't look great but don't need to they will just be thrown on for dry track days and keep the nice wheels and MPSS for wet and road use.
So need to sort the above, pads, springs ordered, be here next week, then back to Spires in May to get the car properly setup and then some track days. Still need to do head gasket and vanos as preventitive maintenance though the guy at Spires actually advised against it and said if the cars compression is good (it is) and it makes good power (it does) to simply leave it well alone. He said yes head gasket is a known issue but as its a track car which gets regular oil changes is probably why it does not need one as regular oil changes help maintain gasket life.
As such probably get the above issues sorted, track it on some evening sessions and if all goes well, then great.
Quite funny as the brakes were mega even with the issue and the car handled superb even with springs well past their usage date, haha, so quite looking forward to getting it back.
Got some test drives in Caterhams booked in May, plus some more Caterham events booked up, I then plan to rent one this Summer and if I really enjoy it shall then plan to purchase one for next Summer and just throw it in my garage, I know what spec I want, now I just need to sort out which engine I want and its gotta be in orange or silly green ideally.
What was the programme, be something I would like to watch if its on anything like online catchup tv or youtube.
Ah think I just caught it on Quest +1 was it "Supercar Superbuild" ?
Caught the last 25 minutes which moved to the F-Type and then the SVR so probably good timing, thanks for the headsup.
I think Jigger should have watched it, would have proven how very wrong he is, every part of the F-Type is built in the UK including the Ford supplied motor all built here by British workers. He would also have been educated how all the designers, engineers and SVO department itself is also here in the UK along with all their testing facilities, he could learnt a thing or two.
But great bit of TV that.
Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing
To my knowledge its a deal / contract Jaguar have with Ford to build the engines in the UK Ford plant, they are all Jaguar staff just working out of Ford UK's plant to build the V8 and V6 engines. The contract ends December 2020, so this will come to an end before then as Jaguar start to build more engines in their own plants (China) or form a new contract with a new supplier, latest rumour is BMW.
Either way the SC V8 and SC V6 are a great engine, linear throttle response, instant throttle response and sound awesome, so those engines coming to an end is only a good thing as we know all new motors will be turbo charged in the forms of the i4 2.0 and the i6 3.0 which are Jaguar units built in the Chinese plant. The V8 future is unknown, will they form a new contract with Ford, BMW or Mercedes or will they just focus on their own i4, i6 and hybrid/electric power plants.
Ah sorry and very local.
Getting confused with all this talk of F-Types been Chinese in the thread when they are not, lol.
I like 5:30 better.
He might have 800HP but not much can live with the Jaaaaag to about 120 and he does not catch me until 180mph at which point I let off and brake early, was not confident on old brakes, when I go next time will run it all way to brake boards like her does and register an actual Vmax
Yeah it been a touch damp really played into the SVR's hands, it handed every car its backside to be honest including the other AWD stuff.
Video is a good watch, scary when the M3 nearly wipes out the M5 though and my mates Mustang is in the video too.
Hi there
OK so today I decided to perfect the RAM air install by using some larger ducting as for my trial install I just used some 60mm spare brake ducting I had spare.
So I ordered this from kit from ebay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cold-Air...var=562336040414&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Which is 76mm and has neat ducts on the end, chopping this in half pretty much makes them spot, just shape the ends going into the ducts slightly square by squshing them a little and they then fit perfect, snug and tight.
I wrapped the metal ducting ends in some foam and then insulated in tape, reasoning behind this is so they don't clang against the metal crash bar as any metal on metal knocking could have course create a false knock situation, that is why the ends in the photos are wrapped in tape, but within that tape is foam to make sure that does not happen.
Using cable ties you can hold the ducts in the exact position you wish.
Photo of stock setup and my trial 60mm ducting:
The new 76mm ducting:
Some photos of the car in the sun.
Its a much neater install, cannot be seen behind the grill with the benefits of drawing cooler air but also been able to catch air in motion to try and a create an ram air effect.
Will it make me go any faster, who knows, probably not but it certainly did not slow me down on the trial setup resulting in a PB of 11.2@124mph in not ideal conditions. Hoping I can get an 11.1s run, which will make me very happy considering the car is still stock and that pretty much then guarantees a lower pulley and map should yield a high ten second run.
OK so today I decided to perfect the RAM air install by using some larger ducting as for my trial install I just used some 60mm spare brake ducting I had spare.
So I ordered this from kit from ebay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cold-Air...var=562336040414&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Which is 76mm and has neat ducts on the end, chopping this in half pretty much makes them spot, just shape the ends going into the ducts slightly square by squshing them a little and they then fit perfect, snug and tight.
I wrapped the metal ducting ends in some foam and then insulated in tape, reasoning behind this is so they don't clang against the metal crash bar as any metal on metal knocking could have course create a false knock situation, that is why the ends in the photos are wrapped in tape, but within that tape is foam to make sure that does not happen.
Using cable ties you can hold the ducts in the exact position you wish.
Photo of stock setup and my trial 60mm ducting:
The new 76mm ducting:
Some photos of the car in the sun.
Its a much neater install, cannot be seen behind the grill with the benefits of drawing cooler air but also been able to catch air in motion to try and a create an ram air effect.
Will it make me go any faster, who knows, probably not but it certainly did not slow me down on the trial setup resulting in a PB of 11.2@124mph in not ideal conditions. Hoping I can get an 11.1s run, which will make me very happy considering the car is still stock and that pretty much then guarantees a lower pulley and map should yield a high ten second run.