Spanish Grand Prix 2011, Circuit de Catalunya- Race 5/19

Dutch Guy · 27 May 2011 at 12:52

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeroy_Jenkins

Last year during a race a commentator screamed LEEROY JENKINS when Kobayashi was overtaking people left and right

el_dazza · 27 May 2011 at 13:00

J1nxy said:
I have a funny view of F1? Ok if you say so...I'm quite happy with my view thanks. I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to not like a particular driver or rate him...

I just don't like Hamiltons attitude, I think he is too quick to blame anybody and everybody else for problems and never looks at himself as being the cause. Alonso was like that when he switched from Renault to McLaren but he mellowed somewhere along the line and he is now a better driver, in my view , for it.

This being the same Vettel who has destroyed the rest of the field over the last couple of years on more than 1 occasion? The same Vettel who has continued to win races when things like KERS has failed which put him at a SIGNIFICANT disadvantage around the track to cars which do?

Thank GOD there's someone else on here that sees the light. You sir, just made a friend.

However, I tend to refrain from posting in F1 threads generally any more as I got sick to the back teeth of all the Hamilton humping going on. If you don't like him, 95% of regular posters jump to his defence and you basically get shouted down, it's a shame. You're not allowed to have a differing opinion on here when it comes to him or you "know nothing" :/

FreeStream · 27 May 2011 at 13:08

el_dazza said:
Thank GOD there's someone else on here that sees the light. You sir, just made a friend.

However, I tend to refrain from posting in F1 threads generally any more as I got sick to the back teeth of all the Hamilton humping going on. If you don't like him, 95% of regular posters jump to his defence and you basically get shouted down, it's a shame. You're not allowed to have a differing opinion on here when it comes to him or you "know nothing" :/

But can you argue with the fact that he is in a lesser car and has A) won a race and B) hounded Vettle at the last race?

No, you can't...

Irish_Tom · 27 May 2011 at 13:26

el_dazza said:
Thank GOD there's someone else on here that sees the light. You sir, just made a friend.

However, I tend to refrain from posting in F1 threads generally any more as I got sick to the back teeth of all the Hamilton humping going on. If you don't like him, 95% of regular posters jump to his defence and you basically get shouted down, it's a shame. You're not allowed to have a differing opinion on here when it comes to him or you "know nothing" :/

It's nothing to do with not being allowed a differing opinion.

You're more than welcome to say that you don't like Hamilton.

However, to say that he is not a good driver is ****ing into the wind of fact.

J1nxy · 27 May 2011 at 13:30

Panzerbjorn said:
It's nothing to do with not being allowed a differing opinion.

You're more than welcome to say that you don't like Hamilton.

However, to say that he is not a good driver is ****ing into the wind of fact.

And please show me where I've said he isn't a good driver???????? :rolleyes:

Jono8 · 27 May 2011 at 13:40

J1nxy said:
And please show me where I've said he isn't a good driver????????

You said you don't think he is as good as Alonso or Vettel and that you put him on a par with Button,Kubica,Rosberg and Webber.

Unfortunately, the facts make your view wrong.

Saying you don't like Hamilton is an opinion and you are ofcourse entitled to think that.

Saying that he is not as good a driver as Alonso and Vettel and only as good as Button,Webber e.t.c. is just wrong.

sunama · 27 May 2011 at 13:47

Jono8 said:
Saying that he is not as good a driver as Alonso and Vettel and only as good as Button,Webber e.t.c. is just wrong.

Technically, even that is an opinion. An opinion can't actually be wrong unless it is conclusively proved beyond doubt. And rating drivers, is almost always a matter of opinion (unless they drive the same equipment, like Webber vs Vettel or Button vs Hamilton or Massa vs Alonso).

The facts though, (as stated earlier in thread), would suggest that Hamilton is a step ahead of Button and a couple of steps ahead of Webber.

Setroc · 27 May 2011 at 13:48

el_dazza said:
Thank GOD there's someone else on here that sees the light. You sir, just made a friend.

However, I tend to refrain from posting in F1 threads generally any more as I got sick to the back teeth of all the Hamilton humping going on. If you don't like him, 95% of regular posters jump to his defence and you basically get shouted down, it's a shame. You're not allowed to have a differing opinion on here when it comes to him or you "know nothing" :/

Honestly, if you stated that Alonso isn't good enough to win any more titles you would get just as long a list of people telling you how ridiculous your opinion is.

J1nxy · 27 May 2011 at 13:51

Jono8 said:
You said you don't think he is as good as Alonso or Vettel and that you put him on a par with Button,Kubica,Rosberg and Webber.

Unfortunately, the facts make your view wrong.

Saying you don't like Hamilton is an opinion and you are ofcourse entitled to think that.

Saying that he is not as good a driver as Alonso and Vettel and only as good as Button,Webber e.t.c. is just wrong.

Its my opinion FFS, your entitle to yours I'm entitled to mine, just get over the fact that some people don't rate him as highly as the flag waving t-shirt wearing fan club which seems to exist here do...and the FACTS as you put it can be interpreted in a number of ways, as they are statistics, depending on which season you look at or as a whole as he has finished behind or around various other drivers...

Cavallino · 27 May 2011 at 14:17

sunama said:
Technically, even that is an opinion. An opinion can't actually be wrong unless it is conclusively proved beyond doubt. And rating drivers, is almost always a matter of opinion (unless they drive the same equipment, like Webber vs Vettel or Button vs Hamilton or Massa vs Alonso).

The facts though, (as stated earlier in thread), would suggest that Hamilton is a step ahead of Button and a couple of steps ahead of Webber.

Well put.

Jono8 · 27 May 2011 at 14:29

sunama said:
Technically, even that is an opinion. An opinion can't actually be wrong unless it is conclusively proved beyond doubt. And rating drivers, is almost always a matter of opinion (unless they drive the same equipment, like Webber vs Vettel or Button vs Hamilton or Massa vs Alonso).

The facts though, (as stated earlier in thread), would suggest that Hamilton is a step ahead of Button and a couple of steps ahead of Webber.

Therfore making him wrong

J1nxy · 27 May 2011 at 18:05

Jono8 said:
Therfore making him wrong

Or not if you look back over a couple of years...

Duke · 31 May 2011 at 11:59

Race video edit is up - http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits/