Spanish Grand Prix 2014, Catalunya - Race 5/19

Yup, my general thinking behind the Merc's is one of their strengths is the synergy of both engine power and harvesting/applying that power. I think they are harvesting better, storing more energy and by using more energy they can apply it better and rely on it more. Brake a little earlier, harvest more power, spin up the turbo, less lag on exit, quicker acceleration.

Since the first day of the first test, the Merc has sounded smoother. The Renault started like a spluttering mess of miss mapped sounding rubbishness and drove like it(when it could drive) and the Ferrari sounded really poor in testing. Difference is the Renault does appear to have moved on significantly where the Ferrari still sounds dodgy and control wise seems all over the place.

You just get the impression that their engine/power delivery is all over the place, FAR less smooth, less controlled and wheel spin is likely much less predictable as a result.

Merc's are really good in tire life as well, not only faster but went way further than almost everyone. Braking earlier, smoother power delivery out of corners, less wheel spin. The merc seems to just have a perfect balance of everything. Everything works together to give great tire life, and everything seems to work together to store and use more power than anyone else can achieve. Beating everyone in fuel usage on top of being that much faster.

It's an epic piece of engineering that car, to get everything so right at the first go under new regs is awesome. I mean you would think a car banging around 20 seconds faster than everyone else in the first stint would... eat up their tires or use more fuel, to both save tires better and use less fuel while being that much faster is pretty ridiculous.

You "think" the car is better than any of others? Blimey you're good at this. 5 or so races in and you've come to this conclusion - I don't know who we were all thinking had the best car...I personally thought Caterham had the best car but we were yet to see it's potential unleashed.

Maybe Lotus we thought were harvesting their energy better.

I guess none of the indepth videos on Mercedes car and how their powertrain is a complete and utter advantage over anyone elses could have given it away either.

Again, mind blown by captain obvious paragraphs.
 
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Overall I'd definately come here again. With the airport so close you could easily grab a flight Friday morning and one late Sunday evening and get the whole race weekend in 3 days.

Yeah we did that a few times, we stopped after one year rushing through the airport like madmen to get to FP1 my mate picked up the wrong case. The plan was to throw our shorts on at the track and my mate opened his to a load of womens clothes, so he had to dash back to the airport. After that we flew out on thursdays :D

Pre Alonso we could do the 3 days GS ticket flight and hotel for £200.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113930

Think Jenson himself has just answered anyone who thinks he'll retire at the end of this season!

Not many have suggested he will retire, just that he might not be at Mclaren next year. Have they gone backwards year on year he's been there? I don't subscribe to driver developement but I can't see Ron keeping him if Alonso or Vettel is available.

I'm surprised that the other Merc power train users are doing so bad.

I imagine they got details of the exact engine layout a lot later than Mercedes works team.
 
Yeah we did that a few times, we stopped after one year rushing through the airport like madmen to get to FP1 my mate picked up the wrong case. The plan was to throw our shorts on at the track and my mate opened his to a load of womens clothes, so he had to dash back to the airport. After that we flew out on thursdays :D

Pre Alonso we could do the 3 days GS ticket flight and hotel for £200.



Not many have suggested he will retire, just that he might not be at Mclaren next year. Have they gone backwards year on year he's been there? I don't subscribe to driver developement but I can't see Ron keeping him if Alonso or Vettel is available.



I imagine they got details of the exact engine layout a lot later than Mercedes works team.

So if Jenson beats KM this year Ron would get rid of Jenson for Alonso? Is that what you're saying? Or would he get rid of both drivers?
 
I imagine they got details of the exact engine layout a lot later than Mercedes works team.

Yes, really surprising.

A Mercedes Team, with a Mercedes engine is performing better than anyone else. Shock Horror!


Brawn cut and shut his car to fit the Merc engine and that worked out ok.

The details of the layout was given to all Merc users. Don't forget they got to crash test it ect. before they can race.

And whoever McLaren sign for next year it won't do them any good. They can't design a car any more and they lost paddy.
 
The details of the layout was given to all Merc users. Don't forget they got to crash test it ect. before they can race..

There have been various reports saying Mclaren and co didn't get the layout until so much later than the Mercedes obviously. Two years Mercedes were working with a dedicated team on chassis and engine integration. That's the difference.

Brawn isn't comparable the limitations in slapping an engine in showed after 6 or 7 races.
 
You "think" the car is better than any of others? Blimey you're good at this. 5 or so races in and you've come to this conclusion - I don't know who we were all thinking had the best car...I personally thought Caterham had the best car but we were yet to see it's potential unleashed.

Maybe Lotus we thought were harvesting their energy better.

I guess none of the indepth videos on Mercedes car and how their powertrain is a complete and utter advantage over anyone elses could have given it away either.

Again, mind blown by captain obvious paragraphs.

Could you at least point out there I said I "think the car is better than any of the others"..... because I didn't actually state that anywhere in my post so.... time of the month or can I basically take that as a personal attack from a bitter Button fan who can't stand anyone who points out his flaws?

I mean first you decide to have a go at me for saying he was using Hamilton's set up, despite... you know, it being public knowledge in the season, something everyone apart from you(magically forgetting anything that paints Button in a bad light) knew and remembered fine. Something people in this thread aside from me had said, that has been said MANY times in the past couple years in this forum because it was so well known that you magically forget then "attack" another poster over. Now you're having a go at me for making "obvious" statements.... obvious statements I didn't make.

When you're trying to defend a stupid view by denying the past... errmm.... make up things others said then have a go at them for it.
 
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Oh please. Everyone knows they had NO MONEY to develop the car.

Enough has been said from Brawn and people in the team that they got to the limitations of the car and the limitations from how fast it was put together. I guess you know better though.

Sure money was a limitation but they were hardly going to throw 100 million at a car they thought was about as far as they could develope.
 
Faster qualifying time: Hamilton 44 / Button 14
Ahead in two-car finish: Hamilton 24 / Button 13


This clearly shows who is the faster driver, both in qualifying and the race.

DNFs: Hamilton 13 / Button 8

This clearly shows why Button accumulated more points over the three seasons in total.

Of course then there is the debate as to whether those extra 5 DNF's were all Hamilton's fault/ or as a results of him pushing the car and racing more compared to Jenson / technical issues / pure bad luck e.t.c

We have already seen this season what a devastating impact just one DNF compared to your team mate can make over a quarter of a season..
 
Of course then there is the debate as to whether those extra 5 DNF's were all Hamilton's fault/ or as a results of him pushing the car and racing more compared to Jenson / technical issues / pure bad luck e.t.c

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The difference being pushing that hard got hamilton into and ahead of the drivers championship, button was just his usual midfield self.
 
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