Spanish Grand Prix 2014, Catalunya - Race 5/19

dalin80 said:
The difference being pushing that hard got hamilton into and ahead of the drivers championship, button was just his usual midfield self.
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Ross Brawn:

"There were two elements that were in contrast. What he needed was a steady flow of points. If you're leading a football match 3-0 at half time, you don't come out for the second half taking dramatic risks. In the second half of the season, Jenson drove mindful of the championship and wasn't going to take any risks, but there was fluidity to his driving in the first half of the year that wasn't influenced by that. Even Michael Schumacher had that tendency to become conservative when he needed to be.

In contrast to that were his race performances. In those environments the wish to compete, the wish to beat someone, became the defining nature of Jenson's driving. There seems to be this contrast between being conservative in qualifying and being aggressive in racing. Both can have the same negative consequences, but in racing it started to flow and the adrenalin and passion came in.

At the end of the day Jenson won the world championship, so you can't criticise his approach. If he had taken a less-conservative approach and lost the car several times in qualifying, where would he be now? The fact is that he's won the world championship and he's won it by taking that approach, so you can't criticise it.

He had a substantial lead by the middle of the season and everyone was saying, 'Well, it's yours to throw away, Jenson.' You've got to take that feeling with you to every race and it's not easy. The guys behind have nothing to lose."


^ Might enlighten you a bit as to how some drivers go about their business, from the words of the hugely respected and revered Ross Brawn no less...

During Hamiltons and Button's time at Mclaren I cannot remember one single DNF of Jenson's own doing, or where he collided with another driver, they were all mechanical issues or inflicted by another driver...

yet Lewis had plenty of DNFs through his own fault - look at how many times he was called to the Stewards... that many times that he had to play the race card in that terrificly embarrassing verbal explosion post race in Monaco, remember?
 
Remember that brawn (honda) had been worked on for almost a good two years. No wonder it had the advantage.

Tbh I wouldn't be disappointed to see button go. I doubt he will. I can't see alonso or Vettel wanting to go to mclaren. They have the best power unit and aren't really anywhere. Something is broken in that team
 
dannyjo22 said:
Enough has been said from Brawn and people in the team that they got to the limitations of the car and the limitations from how fast it was put together. I guess you know better though.
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You said it yourself. With more money, they would have had more time to build a better design from the start.

They were two weeks from going out of business according to a lot of reports at the time.

Given how much the lead time for parts is today, back then it was quite a few weeks longer, which Brawn just couldnt afford.

al4x said:
Tbh I wouldn't be disappointed to see button go. I doubt he will. I can't see alonso or Vettel wanting to go to mclaren. They have the best power unit and aren't really anywhere. Something is broken in that team
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Well - to be fair, McLaren are only a customer of Merc so the power unit isnt likely to be identical in hardware or software to what Merc is running (it was even mentioned on the BBC how customer teams are usually down on power/ more back-dated software during the last race in Spain)

McLaren also know they are using Honda next season, so depending on the design spec of that engine they may not be able to do some things Merc and other customer teams are able to (due to keeping the same source/supplier next season).

I doubt McLaren want to do another complete revolution of their car next winter as well , much more likely to be an evolution of this season's.
 
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They have the biggest job over the Winter already with a engine change, unless the Honda unit is godly I can't see them doing much next season either.
 
smr said:
Ross Brawn:

"There were two elements that were in contrast. What he needed was a steady flow of points. If you're leading a football match 3-0 at half time, you don't come out for the second half taking dramatic risks. In the second half of the season, Jenson drove mindful of the championship and wasn't going to take any risks, but there was fluidity to his driving in the first half of the year that wasn't influenced by that. Even Michael Schumacher had that tendency to become conservative when he needed to be.

In contrast to that were his race performances. In those environments the wish to compete, the wish to beat someone, became the defining nature of Jenson's driving. There seems to be this contrast between being conservative in qualifying and being aggressive in racing. Both can have the same negative consequences, but in racing it started to flow and the adrenalin and passion came in.

At the end of the day Jenson won the world championship, so you can't criticise his approach. If he had taken a less-conservative approach and lost the car several times in qualifying, where would he be now? The fact is that he's won the world championship and he's won it by taking that approach, so you can't criticise it.

He had a substantial lead by the middle of the season and everyone was saying, 'Well, it's yours to throw away, Jenson.' You've got to take that feeling with you to every race and it's not easy. The guys behind have nothing to lose."


^ Might enlighten you a bit as to how some drivers go about their business, from the words of the hugely respected and revered Ross Brawn no less...

During Hamiltons and Button's time at Mclaren I cannot remember one single DNF of Jenson's own doing, or where he collided with another driver, they were all mechanical issues or inflicted by another driver...

yet Lewis had plenty of DNFs through his own fault - look at how many times he was called to the Stewards... that many times that he had to play the race card in that terrificly embarrassing verbal explosion post race in Monaco, remember?
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..and yet if you said to each F1 team's boss that they had the choice of either Hamilton or Button (discounting their age or how much they cost) to drive on their team, every single one would choose Hamilton. I guarantee you that.

I just don't see how anyone can seriously think Button is a better F1 driver than Hamilton.
 
So, apparently Chilton set the fastest time in today's test. No, he hasn't moved to Mercedes. :p

That's got to be the first time a Marussia has ever led a session, surely? He was on super-softs, but none of the articles say what the others set their fastest times on, sadly (I'm guessing mediums or even hards).
 
JHeaton said:
So, apparently Chilton set the fastest time in today's test. No, he hasn't moved to Mercedes. :p

That's got to be the first time a Marussia has ever led a session, surely? He was on super-softs, but none of the articles say what the others set their fastest times on, sadly (I'm guessing mediums or even hards).
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With Chilton fastest I presume all the other teams were doing their Pirelli test, and it would seem in an effort to have less tire deg, everyone else was running prototype tires made of concrete :p
 
Mercedes exhaust to be tested tomorrow.

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smr said:
yet Lewis had plenty of DNFs through his own fault - look at how many times he was called to the Stewards... that many times that he had to play the race card in that terrificly embarrassing verbal explosion post race in Monaco, remember?
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2012

Suspension failure
Hit by another driver
Gearbox failure
Mechanical failure
Hit by another driver

2011

Hit by another driver (a floundering button)
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Gearbox failure

2010

Gearbox failure
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Collision: deemed a racing incident


So 3 collisions in 3 years through racing and 3 hits from others that he had no control of. Button is nothing but a washed up midfileder who was lucky enough to still be in a seat that Honda had bolted a double diffuser to, that is the grand sum of his skill.

Mclaren will continue to be sucked down by him until Ron realises they need to get someone truly skilled in.
 
JHeaton said:
So, apparently Chilton set the fastest time in today's test. No, he hasn't moved to Mercedes. :p

That's got to be the first time a Marussia has ever led a session, surely? He was on super-softs, but none of the articles say what the others set their fastest times on, sadly (I'm guessing mediums or even hards).
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Got the info now. Chilton was on super-soft, Pic was on soft, Hamilton on Medium. I'd say that's still somewhat impressive from Chilton, but it was obvious that there had to be a difference. :p
 
dalin80 said:
2012

Suspension failure
Hit by another driver
Gearbox failure
Mechanical failure
Hit by another driver

2011

Hit by another driver (a floundering button)
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Gearbox failure

2010

Gearbox failure
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Collision: deemed a racing incident


So 3 collisions in 3 years through racing and 3 hits from others that he had no control of. Button is nothing but a washed up midfileder who was lucky enough to still be in a seat that Honda had bolted a double diffuser to, that is the grand sum of his skill.

Mclaren will continue to be sucked down by him until Ron realises they need to get someone truly skilled in.
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Someone just got owned. :D
 
Wow that John Button shirt is horrid. They would have been better off just branding some actual pink shirts than mashing up that horrid mess of a tshirt.

Poor show tbh.
 
dalin80 said:
2012

Suspension failure
Hit by another driver
Gearbox failure
Mechanical failure
Hit by another driver

2011

Hit by another driver (a floundering button)
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Gearbox failure

2010

Gearbox failure
Collision: deemed a racing incident
Collision: deemed a racing incident


So 3 collisions in 3 years through racing and 3 hits from others that he had no control of. Button is nothing but a washed up midfileder who was lucky enough to still be in a seat that Honda had bolted a double diffuser to, that is the grand sum of his skill.

Mclaren will continue to be sucked down by him until Ron realises they need to get someone truly skilled in.
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First thing my eyes saw was 2011 - Canada .. hit by button.

I didn't need to read anymore. Just another blinkered Hamilton fan like 90 percent of people on here. Hamilton tried to overtake someon who was on the racing line going for a gap that was never there having yet another of his epic brain fart moments... and a floundering button who incidentally went onto win thee greatest formula 1 race of all time after 6 pit stops and being pushed to the very back of the pack.

Never laughed so hard before, do you write comedy pieces for a career?
 
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