Spanish Grand Prix 2016, Catalunya - Race 5/21

What a performance from Max. Such a breath of fresh air to see talent meet opportunity. Well done to Mercedes for letting both there drivers really go hammer and tongs at it. Two highly competitive drivers in equal machinery will clash, its happened before and it will happen again. The Spanish GP was by far one of the best races I have seen in a long time. Roll on Monaco to see how Red Bull will perform, I think they will be pretty strong there and also for the next instalment of the Nico and Lewis show.....
 
Such a pity that this debate is overshadowing the youngest ever winner of a grand prix. Sure, it was made possible by the crash and some horrible Red Bull strategy but that was an incredibly mature drive for someone so young, in his first ever race for the team.

Well done Max - I'm sure it won't be the last.
 
The_Abyss said:
Such a pity that this debate is overshadowing the youngest ever winner of a grand prix. Sure, it was made possible by the crash and some horrible Red Bull strategy but that was an incredibly mature drive for someone so young, in his first ever race for the team.

Well done Max - I'm sure it won't be the last.
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it hasn't, you'll find plenty of such posts straight after the race in this thread. but there's not much to debate. everyone agrees.
 
Merlin5 said:
I do wonder though about Lewis's ability this season. Whether he has pole or not, and he's had 3 pole positions so far this year, he seems to let Nico get in front. This didn't happen last season. When Lewis had poll, he stayed in front for the race.
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There's nothing any driver can do about slipstream. Lewis and Rosberg got off the line together, Rosberg tucked in behind him and that's how he managed to get past. P2 is probably a good position to start on this particular circuit as it's a long run to the first corner. Had the positions been switch Lewis would have done the same I'm sure.

Jay
 
MooMoo444 said:
Lewis shoulda held his ground. Rosberg would have taken himself out tbh. Making evasive action and going on the grass wasn't smart in hindsight.
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He had to go on the grass, he tried to back out but Rosberg came over at such a rate that Lewis superior speed meant he had nowhere to go. Like Lewis said after the race it was either hit Rosberg or go on the grass.

I do not agree with any rule that says it's ok for a driver to defend so aggressively that an overtaking car is left with no choice but to hit them or crash out.

Jay
 
how is the overtake attempt made by Hamilton different to any DRS attempt?

Faster car pulls out, car infront moves over but they always, ALWAYS leave a cars width. DRS is ment to get you side by side like Hamilton would have been if space was left.

Looks like you can now just drive anyone trying a DRS overtake off the road.

I bet if Rosberg had not been collected by Hamilton, Rosberg would have got a punishment.
 
FrankJH said:
I meant that there was a chance to leapfrog Nico at least 2 pitstops either with the undercut (which of course Nico cant do being in the lead), but at the very least he ends up pushing further into the race rather than a do or die move on lap 1

your 2nd paragraph is exactly why the 1st one has no relevance. The merc is easily the fastest car, and would have at the worst been 2nd to Nico - the RBR while producing a decent race for the rest of the field isnt even close to the Merc on long runs. Also no reason at all to suggest LH would have been on a different strategy to Nico - Ricciardo was forced into doing an extra stop which cost him those positions.
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You're missing the point completely. You're comparing a RBR to a merc, why? I compared a RBR to a Ferrari which are very very close in performance. Therefore my remarks regards Kimi/Vers and Ricc/Vett are relevant, I didn't say or insinuate otherwise.
Just for the record Ive been following F1 since before Damon Hill's debut so maybe dont come across so patronising in the future
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That's nice for you, but as I have just pointed out that you missed the point and have now corrected you. Additionally you're assuming that I haven't been following Formula 1 for as long as, or longer than yourself. Therefore not only are you actually patronising me, you are also making assumptions.

Jay
 
What this track(and some other tracks) also showed is that qualifying first isn't necessarily an advantage. Lewis had a good start as did Nico but as soon as Nico got in Lewis' slipstream he was away from him.

Still, when's the next race? :o :D
 
Skeeter said:
So as I stated, Rosberg was deemed to have broken rule 27.7, but due to the circumstances (the speed at which it all happened) the FIA have decided to not penalize him for it.



Article 27.7 didn't exist in Bahrain 2012. In fact, it was specifically added to the regulations after that race predominantly because of those moves that Rosberg pulled on Alonso and Hamilton.
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Yup, this bugs me, he did it to two people, Hamilton as well as Alonso iirc, and though it was incredibly frowned upon at the time and almost no one did this they added the rule just to be able to make it clear what you can/can't do. Since that rule people like Magnussen in the video I linked to were punished harshly for far far less aggressive moves than Rosberg did. Yet somehow the stewards quite rightly note that Hamilton was alongside and then fail to punish Rosberg... it's a joke.

More to the point they seem to be saying fractions of a second before he was pushed off he was alongside, yeah, maybe he didn't have time to adjust himself before Hamilton got two wheels over the white line, but all four? Hamilton was alongside and Rosberg kept going with more than enough time to back off and move away to leave space.

Again it's just nuts he hasn't got a penalty when others have been punished for pushing people off far far less aggressively and with on real consequences yet ruining Hamilton's race with a more aggressive and more dangerous move is somehow not a penalty.
 
utajoker said:
I bet if Rosberg had not been collected by Hamilton, Rosberg would have got a punishment.
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I think the bigger issue is, had Rosberg/Hamilton been in cars from different teams Hamilton's team would be screaming murder at the stewards who would impose a big penalty on Rosberg. AS they both drive for Mercedes the team is telling the stewards to not apply a penalty.

Rosberg could and should have gotten harsh penalties for Monaco, Spa, a small penalty(drive through/10 second) for Canada(cutting the chicane while under pressure from Hamilton), only that he is in the same team as Hamilton and has for the most part only hurt Hamilton has saved him from a lot of punishment, bad press and bad reputation being gained.
 
Glanza said:
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Statement from stewards makes no sense, says car 6 breaks rule 27.7, but then applies no penalty.

How does that work?:confused:
 
UTmaniac said:
Statement from stewards makes no sense, says car 6 breaks rule 27.7, but then applies no penalty.

How does that work?:confused:
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extenuating circumstances, not that rules actually mean anything to stewards. they often pic and choose. remember team orders by Ferrari, slam dunk case. yet no punishment. instead they removed the rule.
 
There was never going to be any penalty handed out for the Nico & Lewis incident for one simple reason - Monaco. If one of the Mercedes drivers received a ten place grid penalty, then that would effectively hand the victory to the other team mate. It would make the build up, qualifying and race completely boring. Keep Nico and Lewis together especially around the streets of Monaco and fingers crossed we will experience fireworks again.
 
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