Spanish Grand Prix 2016, Catalunya - Race 5/21

Statement from stewards makes no sense, says car 6 breaks rule 27.7, but then applies no penalty.

How does that work?:confused:

Because under that same rule he has right to defend his position (as stated in the statement) and when he made his move Hamilton didn't have "significant part" of his car alongside Rosberg. He only got alongside once he was pretty much off the track. If anything Hamilton exceeded track limits to get alongside in the first place. :P
 
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You can see rosberg starts moving over as he sees Hamilton jink to the right before Hamilton got a part of his wing in front. The gap was already closing imo. I think both should take some blame as they were both aggressive moves but ultimately I for once agree with the stewards interpretation.
 
If you compare it to Alonso vs Vettel at Monza 2012 (after the Rosberg/Alonso Bahrain rule change) then you can see the difference. Vettel was handed a drive through as Alonso had a "significant portion" of his car alongside.
 
You can see rosberg starts moving over as he sees Hamilton jink to the right before Hamilton got a part of his wing in front. The gap was already closing imo. I think both should take some blame as they were both aggressive moves but ultimately I for once agree with the stewards interpretation.

Quite and exactly the way I saw it, just a normal first lap racing incident. Happens all the time in f1 and it'll continue to happen and it is called racing only some seem to get their knickers in twist over it and need to blame a certain person..
 
Statement from stewards makes no sense, says car 6 breaks rule 27.7, but then applies no penalty.

How does that work?:confused:

I guess they decided that he didn't have a significant portion of his car down the side of Rosberg's car.

Because under that same rule he has right to defend his position (as stated in the statement) and when he made his move Hamilton didn't have "significant part" of his car alongside Rosberg. He only got alongside once he was pretty much off the track. If anything Hamilton exceeded track limits to get alongside in the first place. :P

The FIA statement states that Hamilton had a portion of his car alongside Rosberg before he had to leave the track to avoid contact. That confirms Rosberg broke rule 27.7.

However, the inclusion of the "split second" phrase shows that the Stewards have deemed that the speed at which it all happened was to fast for Rosberg to be penalised for it.

If the Stewards had a history of being lenient and consistent I might agree with them, but given their massively harsh and strict implementation of the rules previously (Sainz in Russia, for example), letting Rosberg off is BS. Like a previous poster said, the PR around wanting to keep Monaco vaugely interesting, coupled with what would have been a fully rehearsed Mercedes production of how everyone was innocent being played out to the Stewards means they have let it slide.
 
The FIA statement states that Hamilton had a portion of his car alongside Rosberg before he had to leave the track to avoid contact. That confirms Rosberg broke rule 27.7.

The rule states that a "significant portion" of the car has to be alongside. Hamilton didn't have a "significant portion" of his car alongside Rosberg as the statement says he had a "portion of his front wing" alongside which isn't a "significant portion" of the car. Rosberg didn't break rule 27.7.
 
The rule states that a "significant portion" of the car has to be alongside. Hamilton didn't have a "significant portion" of his car alongside Rosberg as the statement says he had a "portion of his front wing" alongside which isn't a "significant portion" of the car. Rosberg didn't break rule 27.7.

27.7 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full
width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting
to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track
without justifiable reason.
For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is
alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

http://www.fia.com/file/40714/download?token=aIudaF8D
 
I reckon this season is going to get even more fiery between Rosberg and Hamilton and could end up being a bit of a classic. With the testing mileage achieved and having hopefully sorted out the latest gremlin, it could be a while before Mercedes have another issue. This would mean Hamilton having to beat Rosberg into second place in 6 races just to get back into contention. It's quite amazing there hasn't been any sustained wheel to wheel action so far but there must be some to come!

Will also be interesting to see how the Red Bull improves with the upcoming engine upgrade. If they, and Ferrari, can get more into the mix with Mercedes, I would back Hamilton rather than Rosberg to come out stronger. But I'm probably biased!!!
 
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Quite and exactly the way I saw it, just a normal first lap racing incident. Happens all the time in f1 and it'll continue to happen and it is called racing only some seem to get their knickers in twist over it and need to blame a certain person..

Think I see it this way too
 
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Hamilton should have breaked, he didnt, no point crying over spilt milk as the saying goes.....

Think about that statement for a second...
You are in an acceleration zone in a Formula 1 race, and somebody up ahead is defending your over speed and big jump on them... do you a) brake or b) move to a side to overtake.
I think the very definition of any race, is to do B. The track was wide enough to pass on either side regardless of any reasonable move in any direction from the lead car, and this was under an acceleration zone. It would arguably have been more dangerous to brake or lift given the that this was seconds into the start of the grand prix. Where else could Hamilton go? Left? Ok. Same thing might have happened. Rosberg had his car in the middle of the track and waited for his move to then change his line.

People can defend and make a single directional line change yes, but when you react in the way Rosberg did it is not expected sporting conduct at this level, let alone any level. He was too late to react, too aggressive and hence dangerous. He forced another car off the track who was alongside him. Hamilton if anything, should have been more stubborn and held his car on the road to show how much at fault Rosberg was. Then people would have seen Rosberg drive straight into the side of him. Maybe then people would see it more clear cut and for what it really is....school boy behaviour from a bad loser who can't race under pressure in the heat of battle.

To allow driving like Rosberg's to continue, you are not promoting racing. You are actually jeopardizing racing by putting fear among those that attempt to overtake knowing that they may be cut off at anytime and forced into an accident. This is especially sad to see on a straight of all places, where the speed differential was so vast. Overtakes should be at their most simple in such cases and yet we manage to see an issue because someone can't race fairly.

It ruined what could have been a good race between them.

.... drove into a gap that was always going to disappear.

When you no longer go for a gap....I think you know the rest.


....Yesterday he let Nico get in front and then found himself panicking to recover the lead again, hence the crash....

Hamilton had a good start this time. Level pegging. They have the same car. Nico had the slip stream and he got in front because he had an over speed and was faster at that time. Lewis did not cut him off.

I really hope LH can have a good clean qualifying lap at Monaco. If he loses to NR at Monaco, I think it'll really put a downer on him. They have bad history between them at Monaco too.

The race where Nico deliberately hacksawed at the steering wheel manufacturing his own Schumacher style "accident" to ruin Hamilton's lap. That was shocking behaviour from the snake that is Rosberg.
 
Senna can explain it to us.

This at least involves an actual turn and being on the racing line. Rosberg has neither excuse.

Senna holds his line instead of taking avoiding action.

 
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If you compare it to Alonso vs Vettel at Monza 2012 (after the Rosberg/Alonso Bahrain rule change) then you can see the difference. Vettel was handed a drive through as Alonso had a "significant portion" of his car alongside.

Alonso Magnussen 2014, clear as day. Alonso is closing, he and Magnussen both move right, before Magnussen can shut off the track Alonso gets part of his car alongside, Magnussen still moves across a bit more and Alonso goes only partially off track... Magnussen got a penalty. This is no different except Magnussen didn't continue to go to the edge of the track and force Alonso completely off the track, once he saw Alonso part alongside him he left room and straightened up the car though he was deemed to have not left quite enough room.

Rosberg tried to close the gap, Hamilton got into the gap and alongside, Rosberg instead of reacting to that at all continued turning right till Hamilton was forced completely off the track. Hamilton only lost control because he was forced off the track. Had Rosberg followed the rules Hamilton would have had space and have zero reason to brake or give up on the move. Instead Rosberg basically swiped at a car alongside him had Hamilton not moved right then there was going to be a collision anyway. It was his avoiding action that led to being off track, losing control and spinning into Rosberg.
 
Who cares. It gave us much better race overall then boring Mercs driving away from everyone else. They should take each other out more often.

I do laugh that this was considered a great race by most of us, even though I count a grand total of 1 overtake between the top 4 throughout the whole race! :p

For large parts of the race nothing happened. But we loved it. So what are we to conclude from that? People always say races with no overtaking are boring, but Sunday proved that isn't true at all.

I think that the big difference is that it was 2 different teams, rather than a single team, who were up front. That and the simple fact it wasn't Mercedes which people have just got bored of seeing win.

If you look at the stats, Spain was the most dull race all year, by quite a way.
 
I do laugh that this was considered a great race by most of us, even though I count a grand total of 1 overtake between the top 4 throughout the whole race! :p

I think what made it exciting was that the top four were just seconds from each other.

It's not very exciting when Mercedes are 30 seconds down the road, unless those two Mercedes are actually attacking each other.

Sure, overtaking was minimal but they were at least close enough to try.
 
I think what made it exciting was that the top four were just seconds from each other.

Also on different tyres and strategies, so even though there was no overtaking, no-one had a clue who was going to win out of those top four drivers....each genuinely had a chance and that's what made it exciting. :)

We haven't had that for some time.
 
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