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Spec me a CCTV System

Discussion in 'Home and Garden' started by Sirrel Squirrel, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. Scream

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    1080 is 2MP and cams are moving on.

    At the minute the DS-2CD2335 3MP Hik cam’s are the best all round cameras. Superior low light and great during the day. They have a slot for an SD-Card.

    If one of your cams are subject to bad weather, you can get a ‘hood’ attachment over the cam that shields the camera but tbh, the cams should be built so you don’t need it.

    Stick to Poe. So much easier for installation. One cat cable powers and sends data.

    There are new Hik EasyIP 4.0 cams out now. I am sorting out some to test. They will be my choice of cams if I like them. The new low light 8MP cam should be interesting.

    If you can hold out for a few weeks, they might be worth buying instead.
     
  2. Scream

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    My supplier is charging £105 inc Vat for the 2345
     
  3. jpod

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    Thanks a million scream.

    So I could use 4 cameras, cat 5 cable, a 4 port POE thingy of a certain wattage and an old PC with blueiris. Is that the right idea?

    What size HDD would I need? 1TB? For home?

    Thanks
     
  4. Scream

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    Yes.

    Quite a few people using blueiris are buying a 2nd hand I5/I7 workstation like the Dell OptiPlex from the bay. Just make sure you can add a good video card if you want to use a 4K screen to get the best output for viewing.

    2TB would be better
     
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  5. jpod

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    Noted. Thank you very much indeed. That is an awesome head start in the right direction! Best pod
     
  6. Rossi~

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    Using an existing supplier for something else, i've got a quote for:
    Hikvision DS-2CD2345FWD-I 4 MP IR Fixed Turret Network Camera (4mm) £100.14inc VAT

    Huzzah. Now to decide on the following:
    • Hikvision NVR
    • Synology Surveillance Station
    • Blue Iris
     
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  7. Scream

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    Advantage of BlueIris, is you can mix and match camera brands and still maintain the smart features of that camera. If you add a Dahua camera to a Hik NVR or vice versa, you will lose the smart features.
     
  8. Rossi~

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    Yes! :p
    Cheers, I will take a look.
     
  9. Mulder

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    Can I get some recommendations for a suitable NVR for this set up?

    - 5-6 Unifi G3 flex cameras connected to an 8 port Netgear POE switch
    - Netgear POE switch connects to a 24 port managed Netgear switch
    - Have a rack with patch panel with space for an NVR to sit on a shelf

    The Unifi UVC-NVR seems very good but also pricey at £300+.

    It would need to have a split screen HDMI output (so I can feed into a modulator and transmit around the Coax in the house, Coax also all terminates at the rack), and also be nice to view the CCTV on a phone/app etc.

    Any recommendations would be welcome.
     
  10. UberTiger

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    I guess we're not going to see what cameras are available to use with this until Septermber and iOS13?
     
  11. Scream

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    If you went down the route of opting for Ubiquiti cameras then you really should stick with their NVR. Ubiquiti cams are not in the same league as Hikvision/Dahua etc and it wouldn’t make sense buying one of their NVR’s and then wanting to use Ubiquiti cams.
     
  12. WJA96

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    Unifi Cloud Key Gen2+ and upgrade the HDD to 5Tb. Even if you buy the ludicrously expensive rack mount bracket for the Cloud Key it's still less than the UVC-NVR.

    Unifi use vanilla ONVIF so you can use any NVR but if you have an existing Unifi ecosystem then the UCK Gen2+ is a no-brainer.
     
  13. WJA96

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    3MP gives you very little in terms of video quality and fills up your storage faster. I would argue strongly that the best image quality at the moment is the 2MP STARVIS sensor fitted to many Dahua units. And there is the ongoing rumbling rumour about HIKVision's point to multipoint protocol that is about as secure as a very unsecure thing apparently.
     
  14. timmeh

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    Logitech already have HomeKit cameras available but I'm not sure if they're compatible with this HomeKit Secure Video though.
     
  15. UberTiger

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  16. Scream

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    Yes but the Hik 2325/2335 for the past two years has been the equivalent to the Dahua 2MP Starlights. I use both types depending on the job. There are several comparisons that show a properly tuned Hik 2325/2335 producing a slightly better low light image. The 2MP starlight turrets do offer more features though.

    Now we have the full colour night vision cams and that has opened a new debate.
     
  17. Mulder

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    Thanks both.

    It doesn't look like the Cloud Key Gen2+ has an HDMI or similar output? I need the DVR to put out a split screen CCTV output, which then we can then feed into the COAX around the house, so any TV can be tuned to a certain channel to see the split camera screen.
     
  18. WJA96

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    No, but it can be viewed on any PC with the software client installed.

    If you want something with an HDMI port then you're looking at a specific NVR from Dahua or HikVision but they won't work as well with the UBNT cameras.
     
  19. ristac

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    Any update on these cameras? I’m after a 4 camera system POE with an NVR I’m more interested in good footage at night, wondered if there was a top recommendation for around £600 excluding HD
     
  20. krooton

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    Isn't it just easier to put those solar sensor lights nearby?